Poll: for or against the wall

back woods wrote:

jesseriley wrote:

For the wall, even if it means treason, a bankrupt nation, etc.

You would have supported Stalin in East Germany.

Stalin's wall was not built to keep people out. It was built to keep them from escaping.

And of course I’m joking, but trump is willing to commit treason, I guess

Coming as absolutely no surprise to anyone who is not a rabid Trumper:

GoFundMe To Reimburse Border Wall Campaign Donors

The page's organizer now says he's sending the donations to his self-created nonprofit instead of the government.

Exactly what the wall scammer intended all along.

“If for ANY reason we don’t reach our goal we will refund your donation,” the scammer claimed when starting the "campaign".

And now the scammer cries: “The media is falsely reporting all money is being refunded and it’s over. They are WRONG.”

“Our highly experienced team is highly confident that we can complete significant segments of the wall in less time, and for far less money, than the federal government, while meeting or exceeding all required regulatory, engineering, and environmental specifications,”

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/424976-20-million-raised-in-gofundme-for-trump-border-wall-will-be-refunded

Trumpsters everywhere wrote:

I'm for an impenetrable fortress of fear and hate.

That's all you got? Another Democrat response based on emotion.

A LEGAL immigrant was killed by an ILLEGAL immigrant. His brother is against crimes committed by illegals.

I ask all of you Democrats here, is this woman racist or not?

I find it very telling that none of you have the courage to answer my simple question.

I find it or iratating that no one in the media seems to focusing on the main issue which is the cost/benefit of Trump's wall. Trump's strategy is to paint Democrats as wanting open borders and cited the murder of a police officer in California and an MS-13 murder to support his proposal.

The truth is that no politician on either side has said that we don't need need to improve border security. The question is whether Trump's wall is the best option. Trump often cites Israel's wall as being proof that walls work. However, Isreal's wall cost was $2M per mile compared to the $24M per mile to be spent from the $5.7B being requested by Trump. The current U.S. barriers cost $3.5M per mile. He needs to explain what the differences are and why it makes sense for the U.S. to spend so much more.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/copying-israels-wall-would-cut-trumps-price-nearly-in-half

woods of no escape wrote:

back woods wrote:

You would have supported Stalin in East Germany.

Stalin's wall was not built to keep people out. It was built to keep them from escaping.

What’s the difference

Did you just call "Bannon types" bad asses?

Were you able to type that while keeping a straight face? If so, I am impressed. I was not even able to read it without busting out in uncontrollable laughter.

Good job!

SDSU Aztec wrote:

...The truth is that no politician on either side has said that we don't need need to improve border security...

Yet the Democrats refuse a reasonable negotiation. So not buying it. They want more illegals to improve their voting situation.

facts and reason wrote:

Trumpsters everywhere wrote:

I'm for an impenetrable fortress of fear and hate.

That's all you got? Another Democrat response based on emotion.

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A LEGAL immigrant was killed by an ILLEGAL immigrant. His brother is against crimes committed by illegals.

That all you got? Because I am MUCH stronger on crime. I am against crimes committed by anyone.

How about you?

Yes....... wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

...The truth is that no politician on either side has said that we don't need need to improve border security...

Yet the Democrats refuse a reasonable negotiation. So not buying it. They want more illegals to improve their voting situation.

No, we believe people who want to come to this country should be allowed to become American citizens. Just as YOUR ancestors did. It's pretty simple really.

Yes....... wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

...The truth is that no politician on either side has said that we don't need need to improve border security...

Yet the Democrats refuse a reasonable negotiation. So not buying it. They want more illegals to improve their voting situation.

Well, Trump walked out of the last meeting and the voting thing is a popular talking point not supported by any evidence. My main point, which you did not address, is why Trump's wall is so F-ing expensive.

facts and reason wrote:

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I ask all of you Democrats here, is this woman racist or not?

I find it very telling that none of you have the courage to answer my simple question.

That's a cute line. Kinda falls apart since I responded to your first such idiotic post.

"First line from your video:

Obama: "We all agree on the need to better secure the border and punish employers who choose to hire illegal immigrants"

Not a whole lot about a wall there. And pretty much what most on here (and elsewhere) agree on. Securing our border and keeping illegal immigration to a minimum is desirable. A wall is moronic."

Which basically renders your question to be irrelevant to anyone who is not a moron.

Are you a moron?

The solution is simple yet it will never happen.

Congress needs to pass a bill authorizing $5 mil for boarder security stipulating that Immigration & Boarder Patrol get to decide where and what to spend it on... not Trump or the congressional Democrats. Both sides then must agree to shut their mouths about who won the asinine fight and then move on. If the INS decides to spend all the money on a wall then so be it... if they don't, ditto.

Like I said, simple solution and the best way out of this mess that Trump has created but it will never happen.

My take is that 5 mil would be better spent on something other than a wall but whatever.

your brain doens't seem to be working wrote:

what does this have to do with shutting the government to demand a wall that practically no sane and reasonable person wants?

Who is actually arguing that Trump's wall is the best way to stem illegal immigration?

You cannot answer a question by asking more questions.

Your ad hominem fallacy in your name doesn't work on me. I'm not scared of your fallacies.

I don't think you even watched my video. If you watch at the 0:40 mark, Obama voted for more tax money to be used on fences at the border.

You still haven't answered my question. Is Obama racist for spending your tax dollars on fences at the border?

Obama didn't shut down the government when he was unable to extract billions of dollars to build a massive, ineffective and unwarranted barrier at the border. Obama didn't use fear mongering to justify the little fences he erected during his time in office.

Is Obama a racist. I don't know, but he's far less of one than Trump.

facts and reason wrote:

your brain doens't seem to be working wrote:

what does this have to do with shutting the government to demand a wall that practically no sane and reasonable person wants?

Who is actually arguing that Trump's wall is the best way to stem illegal immigration?

You cannot answer a question by asking more questions.

Your ad hominem fallacy in your name doesn't work on me. I'm not scared of your fallacies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWzAiTPfmQE

I don't think you even watched my video. If you watch at the 0:40 mark, Obama voted for more tax money to be used on fences at the border.

You still haven't answered my question. Is Obama racist for spending your tax dollars on fences at the border?

Obama approved $3.5M per mile and Trump wants $24M per mile. Trump needs to provide a detailed budget.

Ask yourself wrote:

woods of no escape wrote:

Stalin's wall was not built to keep people out. It was built to keep them from escaping.

What’s the difference

You cannot possibly be so stupid.

Prisoners are kept inside a wall and have no freedom.

Non-prisoners outside that wall and have freedom.

here are a few answers wrote:

Is Obama a racist. I don't know, but he's far less of one than Trump.

Finally! You built up the courage to answer my question.

Washington Post says Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and Chuck Schumer all voted for more tax money to be used on fencing at the border.

I ask all of you Democrats, are Hillary, Biden, and Schumer all racist or not?