DallasAlice wrote:
You know what they call a social studies teacher in Texas?
Coach
And a gym teacher? Stupid
I had to laugh but as a 'gym teacher' I earn with side coaching $140k and I get 12 weeks off per year.
DallasAlice wrote:
You know what they call a social studies teacher in Texas?
Coach
And a gym teacher? Stupid
I had to laugh but as a 'gym teacher' I earn with side coaching $140k and I get 12 weeks off per year.
Needledik wrote:
With the impending Los Angeles Unified teachers going on strike, seriously, why do teachers always gripe how hard their life is? Healthcare is full paid for them, pensions set up, and making $75,000 on average per year with 3 months off? Reminds me of all the fast food workers out here demanding $15-20/hr. So you have to grade papers...big deal..don’t they still have scan tron machines to do that? I hope they go on strike for nothing and then end up grateful they at least have a kick back job where they can retire young.
Teaching is a very important task. Ask yourselves, are we where we want to and should be as a society? Is the job market, economy and educational system where it should be? Teachers are underpaid indeed and we have a dearth of true teaching and leadership in this country, I know this because of knowledge, measurement and getting my hands and knees dirty. True leadership and true teaching is so difficult I cannot do even a small work in it. I can tell you of them who did those works, small to big. I cannot do it but people working together can share the load to summate to a small work, maybe even a medium one. Got it? True leadership and teaching will fix the economy. Respect your elders yo
GOH with the $85,000 salary in Ohio like its something normal. The average teacher salary in Ohio is something like $57,000 for a 20 year teacher.
Lets break that down: take 15% of that salary and take it straight to the State teacher retirement. Take another 29% for taxes at the federal and state level. Take another 10% for health benefits. Take another 2% for union dues.
You now have teaches bringing home about 45% of that number. Spread that out to 26 paychecks and you get a whopping $1000 per paycheck.
You can take your numbers and shove it. Teachers dont get paid anything for the amount of work they are supposed to do.
As a teacher, I've always said that if a teacher complains, they should get another job. And if someone complains about how easy teachers have it, those people should have become teachers themselves.
Pretty straightforward
If it works, then why wouldn't they constantly complain?
Saying a teacher has it easy doesn’t mean that people want to earn less money. People do harder jobs in order to earn more money not necessarily because they love the job. I think the guy on the mower at the golf course has it easy also. Sunday school teachers have it easy also. Guess what. I am retiring and planning to do those 3 things for enjoyment.
xcmets wrote:
As a teacher, I've always said that if a teacher complains, they should get another job. And if someone complains about how easy teachers have it, those people should have become teachers themselves.
Pretty straightforward
Undoubtedly, people need to stop complaining about teachers, but teachers do have a right to protest to receive more funds. First of all its a principle matter of capitalism. Secondly, there is a difference between complaining about not making enough money for what you do, and it's another thing to complain that you simply aren't making enough money to live. The state in which I live, in the highest earning district, teachers start at ~45,000. They are required to have either x amount of hours of graduate work or a master's degree or higher. The cost of a single bedroom apartment in that area is ~1800. Simple math tells us that the take-home pay of that salary will afford that teacher rent and food, maybe a car payment. That same district also failed to have teacher salary raised as a ballot measure this past year and I couldn't tell you the last time administration took a cut to pay teachers more. It's time that people start to realize that taxes are good and public servants deserve better
Why do CEO's complain of being underpaid when their corporations do badly because of their decisions?
CEO-worker pay ratio rose by 1,000% since 1950.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/30/ceo-to-worker-pay-ratio_n_3184623.html
Star wrote:
Unlike most professions, teachers have no control over their pay.
If you work for a corporation you can try to negotiate your salary.
You can leave to work somewhere else for more pay.
Teachers are paid on strict guidelines based on school district and years of experience.
Striking and collective bargaining is the only leverage they have to affect their pay as a group.
Huh? Really? You think that people who work outside of teaching have "control" over their pay? Nah, not really. There are ranges to negotiate in, but overall, very little control - it's whatever the corporation or business owner is willing to pay for that skillset.
Teachers are matrixed the way they are BECAUSE of the union representation. Get the unions out, and the best teachers will get paid more than the ones who are just putting in their time. That'll take a long time of course, you'd have to weed out the teachers who no longer bring their "A" game; and have enough in the pipeline to replace them.
"Strict Guidelines" again - wrong. It's a union negotiated contract that outlines how the pay matrix works - usually based on years of experience and education level - neither of which are performance based, which is just plain awful. I get raises and incentives based on what I do, and how I do it; and how well the business is performing. I like it that way.
The unions would have you believe that school districts are flush with money to pay teachers more - however, the reality is that the public pays for public school teachers through taxes; if you want to pay teacher more money, the other side of the equation is that people will pay more in taxes to do that. And in my state, teachers on average make 50% more than the average salary in the state, yet still complain (despite only working 9 months a year). And there are a number of school districts who will have some hard decisions to make because they're running out of money due to the new state-wide minimum salaries; which can't be justified because the tax base can't afford it.
Texas. Thirty-one years teaching public high school. $62000. Masters degree.
No, unions protect teachers! They stand up to the school board offices, the state legislators, etc. They negotiate for our pay, our insurance, our retirement. They protect us from superintendents, principals, & the other authority figures who have lost touch with the classroom. They negotiate for teachers without fear of retribution. Unions allow us to stand in unity. There is strength in numbers.
Union today! Union tomorrow! Union forever!
California. 21 years teaching in a public high school. Base Pay $84,000. Total compensation (including coaching stipends, master's bonus, health care, and department chair stipend, well over 100k. I don't remember what it is exactly.
You'll never hear me complain about being underpaid, as I live in a relatively low cost of living area of the state.
That being said.....I have a student teacher this year who is coming to teaching after 10 years of doing other stuff, including sales and auto mechanic. One morning he told me that he never used to be exhausted at the end of the day like he is after a day of teaching.
As far as the day off, most of us don't completely shut down during those times. Personally, I work on curriculum a few days a week and coach 3 days a week during the summers. During this past Christmas break, there were only 3 days where I did absolutely zero school work.
Is it an easy job? No Is it the hardest job there is? No. Are some teachers underpaid? Yes. Are some teachers overpaid? Yes.
Needledik wrote:
With the impending Los Angeles Unified teachers going on strike, seriously, why do teachers always gripe how hard their life is? Healthcare is full paid for them, pensions set up, and making $75,000 on average per year with 3 months off? Reminds me of all the fast food workers out here demanding $15-20/hr. So you have to grade papers...big deal..don’t they still have scan tron machines to do that? I hope they go on strike for nothing and then end up grateful they at least have a kick back job where they can retire young.
Some of what you say is true and some is not:
Pensions are awesome and the real reason why anybody she going to teaching. But also remember there is no Social Security.
Benefits are not paid in full in most districts … There’s usually a 10-ish% contribution.
They pay really sucks starting out but if you stick around can be quite lucrative at the end. No one I know complains about the pain. But there also is not a standard cost of living increase either. That’s usually where most of the complaining comes along.
What’s the complaining is about your brat kids that you don’t parent but hold the school district accountable for.
Is working 7 to 3 different than working 9 to 5? If you’re working a job as requiring 10 to 12 hours of work a day you’re in the wrong job.
vandelayindustries wrote:
The Gallant Pig Man wrote:
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. The average teacher salary is roughly $20k lower than what you think, the hours are much longer than what you think (and very few teachers actually take 3 months off during the summer), and the defined benefit pension plan is quickly becoming a thing of the past. In any case, higher salaries=better job candidates=better outcomes for children=improved long-term economic growth. Learn Econ 101.
The amazing thing is that these salaries are available publicly. Most teachers in LA won't make >75,000 dollars until after 10 years of work assuming they have graduate degrees. Let me know how many other career fields have to endure the see thing.
In California the state pays the school district about $1000 a year to babysit their kids for 184 days. About seven hours a day. That’s some cheap daycare so you can go off and play golf at work.
If pay increases, better candidates would be attracted to the occupation which means that many of the current teachers would never have gotten their jobs in the first place. It’s like the idiotic McDonald’s workers wanting higher pay. It will attract decent people to the field and it will also cause employers to automate thereby eliminating the jobs.
If you’d had better teachers, you would know not to conflate “always” with “often” and “sometimes”.
I feel that I am compensated very fairly. (AP teacher & coach w MSS)
RealTalk wrote:
Most teachers are lazy, just hoping to make a few bucks in order to finance a new vehicle and purchase Kraft macaroni and cheese for dinner!
Their husbands are little more than a sack of mud on the couch!
I hate white teachers.They short changed me , now Im workinh in a body shop.
Funnyalice but.... wrote:
DallasAlice wrote:
You know what they call a social studies teacher in Texas?
Coach
And a gym teacher? Stupid
I had to laugh but as a 'gym teacher' I earn with side coaching $140k and I get 12 weeks off per year.
Where's zat?
Funny how those "under-served" people are actually over-served. All they do is suck up tax dollars in every single aspect of life. In fact, each one of them is an average $750,000 net negative to the tax system.
All they do is take disproportionately, while doing nothing to actually serve themselves, or lol, actually contribute positively to society.
Those "under-served" students should "graduate" after the 6th grade. The $15,000 per year cost of "educating" them after that is largely wasted. Put them to work 25 hours a week and pay them that $10,000 directly in salary. $5,000 bonus to kids who use their free iPads to continue their education and pass certain benchmarks, or at least catch up to 6th grade level.
Under the current system, none of these kids learn about work ethic, or even accountability. In fact, they learn the opposite of the right values. They don't even need to pass their classes in order to pass their classes. And the average graduate reads at a 7th or 8th grade level.
There should be special "gifted" schools for "under-served" 7th graders who want to pass up $10,000 in salary to work, and who would rather continue their studies in a classroom setting. My guess is 1% of them would choose the classroom.
I think they complain because unlike almost every other professional degree, they top out at a pretty low salary. If you’re an engineer, accountant, nurse, etc you start out at a higher salary and you can easily triple or quadruple it in 10 years by moving around and getting promoted into management and even more if you make it to executive. Most teachers aren’t going into administration because it usually requires a PhD.