Nick Symmonds runs 12.36 in 100m time trial

its over wrote:

"he seems like a bit of a character"

Really I think he looks like a bit of a douche.

I've met Nick Symmonds in real life and he is the complete opposite of a douche. He has an outgoing personality and looks like a frat bro so maybe that has you jealous?

Bonkers wrote:

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This whole thing is marketed around how much faster he can get between now and his actual race. Going from 12.3 to 11.5 will play a lot better than going from say 11.8 to 11.5

What I'm saying is he has no incentive to hit the fastest possible time right now. In fact if I was him I'd either lie about my actual time or sandbag the time trial so I'd be sure to have a massive improvement to brag about at the end of the stunt. I'm not saying for sure that's what he's doing, but I think it'd be smart and Symmonds knows how to play the game...

Not to mention that going "100%" at this stage is foolhardy the extreme when sprint racing and training.

sillyman wrote:

SlowFatMaster wrote:

Source on Coe 10.65?

never

He has a 46.87 400m best. If he had a 10.65 it would be low 45s out of blocks with his speed endurance.

10.9 at best, and that's ok

Most of you guys have no idea how fast 10.60 automatic really is.

I have never seen any confirmed evidence or source that states Coe ran 10.65, but based on running 21.7 for 200m at the end of a series of 200m runs, I imagine he was capable of under 11.0 from blocks in 79 or 81.

With regards to his 400m ability, yes his official pb was 46.87, but he was very likely capable of sub 46.0 in an open race. Not only did he voice great disappointment at the time in an interview at end of 79 season, based on him running a 46.9 heat the night before whilst jogging in the last 50m, but he ran a 45.6 relay in 81 in a match v USA, where he tripped at takeover, practically hobbling through the start line. That was definitely equivalent to a 46 flat 400m. This was 90mins after front running a 1:44.0 800m.

I think Symmonds running a 12.36 100m as a retired athlete is fantastic, but tells us little about what he was capable of during his peak 800m days. I doubt he could break 11 though, as his 400m ability looked more like 47 high.

zxcvzxcv wrote:

Still faster than peak Mo Farah.

Yes, but EPO helps Mo win the big ones.

go climb everest, brah wrote:

So the video is 6:39 of him douching it up and 0:12 of running?

I'll pass

That sums up sprinting.

Add 10 mins of slow mows to make up for the fact the sprints are the worst event to watch in real-time

ukathleticscoach wrote:

go climb everest, brah wrote:

So the video is 6:39 of him douching it up and 0:12 of running?

I'll pass

That sums up sprinting.

Add 10 mins of slow mows to make up for the fact the sprints are the worst event to watch in real-time

Yah cause watching half a dozen athletes all named Kip jog on the track for 24 laps before a sprint finish is much better.

Coevett wrote:

YMMV wrote:

The best verified, FAT 100 for a sub-1:47 runner I can find is Matt Scherer at 10.73 (20.89 for 200). He changed his events dramatically to run 1:46.11 and never did both in the same year. Getting under 11 FAT is a big deal for a mid-D guy.

Murphy ran 11.84 in HS but was only a 1:54 guy at that time. That would be a good first target for Nick.

Hand timed obviously, but Rudolf Harbig ran 1:46.7 and 10.6.

Brandon Johnson ran a 10.40 in high school and a 1:43.84 as a 28-year-old

SalmonRice wrote:

ukathleticscoach wrote:

That sums up sprinting.

Add 10 mins of slow mows to make up for the fact the sprints are the worst event to watch in real-time

Yah cause watching half a dozen athletes all named Kip jog on the track for 24 laps before a sprint finish is much better.

It is, actually

Some posters are misoverestimating the difficulty of sub 11 100m. Hundreds of no name high schoolers and collegiates go sub 11 every year.

Sub 11 is like sub 1:55.

Given that Nick's 400m time is in the ballpark of 48 flat, that would mean his 100 splits during that race would likely have been in the ballpark of 12-11-12-13 (assuming he could run the race patterned like a normal sprinter does, instead of just taking the 48-second time and dividing by 4 on the assumption that each 100 is the same pace in a 400, which is certainly not true). So even at his peak, while racing his 400 PR, while charing down the backstretch with a running start, I don't think he could have broken under 11. Certainly not from a standstill or from blocks. I genuinely like the guy and think he's fantastic at constantly keeping his name and brand buzzing, but nonetheless there is zero percent chance he runs 10.99 in his mid-30s. Unless maybe he talks to Justin Gatlin about whatever Mid-30s Miracle Juice he's been using... but otherwise, no way. I'm going with 11.3x tops, and that's being generous with my estimate. This is a fun game of speculating to play though!!

Sub11notveryhard wrote:

Some posters are misoverestimating the difficulty of sub 11 100m. Hundreds of no name high schoolers and collegiates go sub 11 every year.

Sub 11 is like sub 1:55.

Run 1:55 at 35 and get back to us.

YMMV wrote:

The best verified, FAT 100 for a sub-1:47 runner I can find is Matt Scherer at 10.73 (20.89 for 200). He changed his events dramatically to run 1:46.11 and never did both in the same year. Getting under 11 FAT is a big deal for a mid-D guy.

Murphy ran 11.84 in HS but was only a 1:54 guy at that time. That would be a good first target for Nick.

Harald Schmid could have done it no doubt. 20.68 and sub 1:45.

Nick has got to get some knee lift . And learn to swing his arms like a sprinter.

Harald Schmid was a monster of speed endurance. World class times in everything from 200m to 800m, including hurdles and relays. I don't think any other man in history could run 20.68 for 200m then run 1:44.83 for 800m a week later; while having the coordination to run 47.45 in 400mH. Schmid could have easily ran 10.5 or lower for 100m. I would even be shocked if he could also run a sub-4min mile.

Haters gon' hate, but I bet most posters here wish they had an accomplished running career and then could do fun stunts like this. How many of us have ever even done 100m training? We would never do it because it would ruin our endless 100mpw training.

Yes I feel a good percentage of chat on these boards is speculation about what world class athletes would run in a different event (eg WVN in the 800, bolt in the mile etc). So good to finally see a bit of it in real life

Name56 wrote:

Harald Schmid was a monster of speed endurance. World class times in everything from 200m to 800m, including hurdles and relays. I don't think any other man in history could run 20.68 for 200m then run 1:44.83 for 800m a week later; while having the coordination to run 47.45 in 400mH. Schmid could have easily ran 10.5 or lower for 100m. I would even be shocked if he could also run a sub-4min mile.

I agree considering he is a notch above Scherer on the ole totem pole. I still doubt that a sub-11.00 FAT has yet been run by a sub-4:00 miler. Doing it in the same season would be quite the trick. I doubt any of the Kenyans or El G could do it. Possibly Ovett? (21.7h) I'll entertain Coe, though we don't have even a 200 time for him.

Deanouk wrote:

With regards to his 400m ability, yes his official pb was 46.87, but he was very likely capable of sub 46.0 in an open race.

he ran a 45.6 relay

Every 800m runner who ever lived has ran more all-out 400 reps in workouts than they can count, and more by far than in competition. That's where their PR's happen, and they do remember them.

If Coe could run sub 46 open, he WOULD have gone 44.8 fly in a workout at least once. Has he ever claimed to? If not, you could ask him.

Nick is A-OK in my book. A bunch of his detractors are probably the types who frown at any kind of touchdown end zone celebrations in football. Nick has a sense of enjoyment about what he does, and, man, how I could learn a thing or two about the big picture just by paying attention to his videos. More power to you, Nick! And you stick-in-the-muds out there? I do hope you can extricate yourselves from the mire once in a while, even if it's only to meet at the local bar to b*tch about Nick.