Nick Symmonds runs 12.36 in 100m time trial

Run Gum is a multi-million dollar company? Didn't know that. Good for him!

Run_N_Gum wrote:

He can easily knock a second off his time with better start mechanics. He’ll need a sprint coach to clean up that technique.

He would of gone faster if his starter gave better commands and was more excited. She should of yelled, “GO!!!” Instead of “start.”

And Nick claims Run Gum is a multi million dollar company. Is that true?

Kill your English teacher.

Source on Coe 10.65?

joel wrote:

Don't know if he will manage to achieve this goal or not in his current fitness, but I am 100% positive when he was in 1:42 shape, sub-11 would have been routine and he could of done repeats at that pace.

These threads trip me out...you have one of the greatest American 800m runners of all time and dudes are making fun of his start technique, fitness, life goals, etc. As if he was supposed to stay the same athlete forever.

This.

He also makes it clear that he's just starting speed stuff again.

Vdgdurbrbjdj wrote:

Nick announced that his goal is to run under 11 seconds. He says he will do whatever it takes to achieve that goal, probably just like his goal to break 3 hours in the marathon and then dropping to the half.

Actually, he ran the full mar, in like 3:00:30 or so, on extremely limited training.

But I realize facts don't matter to the typical LR a**hole, like you.

I think they were seeking a $500k round last year. There are a few drawbacks for a one-product company like this. It's marketed as a sports product. The bigger market for caffeinated products is teenagers and young men. They love Red Bull and Monster. Run Gum is really marketing to small niche.

Second, it tastes terrible. If they can fix the taste, they might stand a chance to grow within the sport market, but again that is a small niche. The taste will keep a lot of people from re-engaging after an initial purchase. There are also some lingering government regulatory concerns regarding caffeine. Several others caffeinated gums went off the market for a little while. Not sure where the government stands on this, at this moment.

Here's the biggest problem. There's nothing really stopping a big candy producer from making their own exercise gum if Run Gum proves more than just a niche product. That could push down the acquisition price if they choose to exit, or stronger multi-product brands with more leverage could squeeze them in their current retail partnerships.

SlowFatMaster wrote:

Source on Coe 10.65?

never

He has a 46.87 400m best. If he had a 10.65 it would be low 45s out of blocks with his speed endurance.

10.9 at best, and that's ok

Most of you guys have no idea how fast 10.60 automatic really is.

critic 100 wrote:

Why is this even discussed? Seb Coe ran a 10.65 100M. Now some has been runs a 12. hand and we are going nuts about it.

No one is going nuts over anything.

Except maybe for how stupid it is to post about Seb Coe on a thread about Nick Symmonds.

a running start is more indicative of real speed, because starting requires technique.

any good 800 m runner can easily break 12. with any kind of starting technique.

nick is like a 47 high man for the 400m, which means he averaged under 12 seconds all the way for the 400m.

which is equivalent to 12.8 per 100m out of the blocks.

all of which means nick and any other 47 400 man can go easily 11.mid.

breaking 11 seconds, however, is doubtful for nick.

i can see 11.3.

Great post. He has the potential to go sub 11z He has tremendous talent. Working on the start and explosion will probably get him down to sub 12.

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The best verified, FAT 100 for a sub-1:47 runner I can find is Matt Scherer at 10.73 (20.89 for 200). He changed his events dramatically to run 1:46.11 and never did both in the same year. Getting under 11 FAT is a big deal for a mid-D guy.

Murphy ran 11.84 in HS but was only a 1:54 guy at that time. That would be a good first target for Nick.

joel wrote:

Don't know if he will manage to achieve this goal or not in his current fitness, but I am 100% positive when he was in 1:42 shape, sub-11 would have been routine and he could of done repeats at that pace.

These threads trip me out...you have one of the greatest American 800m runners of all time and dudes are making fun of his start technique, fitness, life goals, etc. As if he was supposed to stay the same athlete forever.

Well said. Nick always seemed super nice/genuine when I would bump into him during my Oregon days. Yeah he makes videos like this but that's the culture we're living in and the one he's trying to make a living in. The younger folks eat this stuff up & it's entertaining for the above reasons. Nick has nothing left to prove so he works with his marketing/pr folks to identify fun goals to go after that he can share with the running community. I'm cool with it. I'm not sure what would make anyone so upset over it or why they would want to see him fail.

I know he's been retired for awhile but it seems a bit ridiculous that someone who ran 1:42 and spent half his career top 10 in the world would have such awful sprinting mechanics. No extension on the drive phase or when he hits tops peed, head unstable and torso shifting constantly.

His time's are okay when you consider that he's a 35 year old jumping on the track while being out of shape. 12.3s standing and 11.6s fly is better than 99% of men his age. You'd expect times a little faster for a former world #2 over 800m, but it looks like this was his first time on a track in over a year.

Good for him having a fitness goal. He seems to love finding new challenges on and off the track. I'm sure during his pro years he could've easily broken 11s after some block work so it isn't totally unrealistic he can still do it now.

YMMV wrote:

The best verified, FAT 100 for a sub-1:47 runner I can find is Matt Scherer at 10.73 (20.89 for 200). He changed his events dramatically to run 1:46.11 and never did both in the same year. Getting under 11 FAT is a big deal for a mid-D guy.

Murphy ran 11.84 in HS but was only a 1:54 guy at that time. That would be a good first target for Nick.

Hand timed obviously, but Rudolf Harbig ran 1:46.7 and 10.6.

seattle dude wrote:

joel wrote:

Don't know if he will manage to achieve this goal or not in his current fitness, but I am 100% positive when he was in 1:42 shape, sub-11 would have been routine and he could of done repeats at that pace.

These threads trip me out...you have one of the greatest American 800m runners of all time and dudes are making fun of his start technique, fitness, life goals, etc. As if he was supposed to stay the same athlete forever.

This.

He also makes it clear that he's just starting speed stuff again.

"sub-11 would have been routine"...seriously? 11.1-11.2 at best for world-class mid-d guys. Sub-11 is certainly impossible, at least not possible while training for mid-d.

sp2 wrote:

Vdgdurbrbjdj wrote:

Nick announced that his goal is to run under 11 seconds. He says he will do whatever it takes to achieve that goal, probably just like his goal to break 3 hours in the marathon and then dropping to the half.

Actually, he ran the full mar, in like 3:00:30 or so, on extremely limited training.

But I realize facts don't matter to the typical LR a**hole, like you.

Sorry for offending you. He did run 3:00:30 on limited training. Is that supposed to inspire me? Not working hard to run a mediocre marathon time?

Perhaps you are forgetting that after his 3:00:30, Nick set a goal to run under 3 hours at the 2018 Eugene Marathon. He went on to drop down to the half marathon and run 1:26:49. That's very inspiring. Here are the results if you still think I don't have my facts straight:

SalmonRice wrote:

I know he's been retired for awhile but it seems a bit ridiculous that someone who ran 1:42 and spent half his career top 10 in the world would have such awful sprinting mechanics. No extension on the drive phase or when he hits tops peed, head unstable and torso shifting constantly.

He had pretty terrible form even when he was competing. Probably one of the least smooth people to ever run sub-1:44.

Is he willing to dope to reach his goal?