Just saying that 32 teams covers about 2 P5 conferences. I don’t know how somebody could think that only 32 teams have run that fast. I would gues that there are 150 teams across all divisions and NAIA with school records faster than that.
Just saying that 32 teams covers about 2 P5 conferences. I don’t know how somebody could think that only 32 teams have run that fast. I would gues that there are 150 teams across all divisions and NAIA with school records faster than that.
D3 is slow wrote:
I know 5 D3 teams without even starting to research
UWO
UWP
WashU
NCC
Augie.
Add in RPI and Pomona, also without looking. Just remembering what guys ran last year.
To answer the OP, the goal is a little amibitious, but not a lot. Don't be afraid to shoot for it. If I were you though, I would focus on the longer term goal of breaking 14 by the end of sophomore year, and you should structure your training more long term, IMHO.
abject wrote:
In other words, the goal is to run slightly faster than 3200 pace for 5k in only one year. Is this goal ambitious, realistic, or conservative?
Doesn't matter what you ran as a high school senior. An 8:15 3k is roughly equal to a 14:15 5k . Hit at or around 8:15 during indoor then go after a fast outdoor 5k. If your 3k at the end of indoor is only 8:30, shoot for 14:35 and progress.
I don't think racing an indoor 5k is a good idea for college freshman. The 1-2 punch of xc- indoor is a lot for an 18 year old to adjust to. Building a base is great, but mile and 3k race efforts are a lot easier to control and recover from. Most coaches would rather see a young distance runner get (comfortably) into the 4:0X zone for the mile and work from there towards truly meaningful distance times.
abject wrote:
In other words, the goal is to run slightly faster than 3200 pace for 5k in only one year. Is this goal ambitious, realistic, or conservative?
I think a good goal for most college coaches is to have a freshman be able to average his HS 3200m PR pace extended out all the way to a 5000m. So for you? I think anything around 14:20 +/- a couple seconds is really good. If you end up a 10000m runner and have proper development, I would think by your senior year you should be able to average your HS 3200m PR pace for the 10000m as well.
There’s 12 D3 schools right there including 7 w/ sub 14:00.... morans
https://d2o2figo6ddd0g.cloudfront.net/l/m/8vbp4m0c9u6dtb/d3tracklist-m.pdf
https://d2o2figo6ddd0g.cloudfront.net/0/p/rduotgygctesyv/d3indoortracklist-m.pdf
Now you're bragging.
Don't know what that other knucklehead was looking at. Maybe he saw a meet where 32 guys broke 14:15?
I was a 9:05 guy and then 14:32 the next year. I don't think things were perfect that freshman year, if things went a little better for me maybe I could've done 14:20. So a 9:10 guy I'd say it's more realistic to be a 14:40 freshman, maybe 14:30 if everything is going really well.
A 14:15 would make several really good team Top 10 All-Time lists. It makes every single one of the schools in my conference.
It is an ambitious goal, but not overly ambitious. Goals are supposed to be ambitious. So I would shoot for 14.15 but definitely don't beat yourself up if you only run 14.30-14:40, you should be happy with that too. If you are running 14.45-15.00 then, I would be self-critical.
I ran 9:15 in 12th grade. Then I ran 8:26 3000m as a College Frosh (which converts to like 9.05-9.10 I believe). As a College Soph I ran 14:11 for 5,000m. So based on my progression, 14.15 should be in the realm of possibility for you.
For me, the training/life style that I attribute to attaining that time is very consistent doubles. The winter before I ran 14:11 in the spring, I woke up at 6:00 am every day M-F and ran in the morning and then went to class. As a frosh, I did a few doubles but not with the same consistency that I did as a Soph which was every M-F, 6:00 am, 4-5 miles, I literally did not miss a day. That takes a certain lifestyle. If you stay up late, drink, etc., you are gonna miss a day (either oversleeping or injuring yourself due to lack of recovery). With doubles like that 80+ miles per week was consistent. With several months of base like that, I had the endurance to maintain prior 2 mile pace for 3 miles.
More important than anything, I would say, is not to quit or give up. Eventually, I leveled off my improvement and quit running. Gained a buncha weight, and now I would give almost anything to just be able to run a 18 min 5k.
You need to add D3 schools Wheaton and Pomona College to that list, and possibly Haverford.
Don't redefine the English language. Really good teams are those going to nationals. I doubt that many people would consider Penn State, Iowa, Illinois, Minnesota, or Indiana to be really good teams yet 14:15 doesn't make their top 10.
All Time 10th
Nebraska 14:17
Iowa 14:11
Illinois 14:01
Ohio State (5th only) 13:56
Michigan 13:52
Penn State 13:47
Minnesota 13:49
Indiana 13:49
Yes we know that D3 is slow and that there are a few fake D1 conferences out there.
When I was reading this thread, the first thing that popped into my head was, "I wonder if more than 50% of 9:10 guys in HS ever run 14:15 in their lives." I was thinking the answer would be no.
Does anyone know how many people ran 9:10 in HS last year?
How many collegians ran 14:15 or better?
About 150 HS guys ran 9:10 and about 200 college guys ran 14:15. However, there many foreigners in the college number so the two seem to be a good numbers for comparison. That says that not too many 9:10 HS guys are hitting 14:15 as freshmen though.
Ehso wrote:
Pretty ambitious. It could happen, but 14:30 is a more reasonable goal.
Definitely agree with this. 14:15 is a pretty solid improvement from 9:10. Seems more reasonable as a sophomore goal.
Idiots wrote:
There’s 12 D3 schools right there including 7 w/ sub 14:00.... morans
https://d2o2figo6ddd0g.cloudfront.net/l/m/8vbp4m0c9u6dtb/d3tracklist-m.pdfhttps://d2o2figo6ddd0g.cloudfront.net/0/p/rduotgygctesyv/d3indoortracklist-m.pdf
this list is actually laughable with the outdoor "top 10" of people with over a +2.0 tailwind. why in the hell do they count a 10.12 with a +4.9, a 20.60 with a +5.5 and a 20.61 with a +7.2 thats absurd that those are on the list. I could understand putting things with maybe up to a +3.0 just to make the list seem a bit more impressive, but +5 to +7.2, come on now.
lkjl wrote:
That's Division I.
I'm sure there are 5-10 Division II that have run sub-14:15.
Probably 3-5 Division III or less.
There are 7 D3 schools with sub-14 school records.
14:15 is an excellent goal for a 9:10 guy in high school.
The first year of college is difficult - not only because of the increased volume of training - necessary to get one to be a top flight runner - but also because of the adjustment to college life.
Get the 14:15 performance done and that sets up well for the next goal. A sub-9 guy in high school should shoot for 14 minutes - easier said than done but making 4:30 mile pace seem somewhat relaxed and controlled in a 5k race sets you up well for a good progression.
rojo wrote:
When I was reading this thread, the first thing that popped into my head was, "I wonder if more than 50% of 9:10 guys in HS ever run 14:15 in their lives." I was thinking the answer would be no.
Does anyone know how many people ran 9:10 in HS last year?
How many collegians ran 14:15 or better?
This sounds like an interesting research project for someone in college or HS. There should be enough data from sites like athletic.net and tfrrs.
I ran 9:06 in HS and low 14:20s for 5000 as a college freshman and low 14:10s as a sophomore. Junior year finally broke through with sub 14 and sub 29.
To the OP: Get your 1500 under 3:50. That will help you run a fast 5000.