THIS MAKES NO SENSE

Van Damme was a smoker wrote:

All my short distance PRs are from my smoking days.

If it catches up with those guys it will be long after they and the OP are no longer running.

And he's not going to catch up with them.

You’re either not very fast then or you’re not deserving of your genetics

It could be that smoking and a bad diet are helping to keep their weight down.

But more miles could do that, too.

Or it could be all genetics, especially if you all are doing the same workload.

Another fake picture of 115 yo . Lol

stateroftheoblivious wrote:

It could be that smoking and a bad diet are helping to keep their weight down.

But more miles could do that, too.

Or it could be all genetics, especially if you all are doing the same workload.

But they don’t run a lot of miles either. Ever since they started smoking and drinking they’ve just kinda quit running and practices, but still run in weights. I work 20x as hard as they do and so do most kids on my team, but we’re all still nearly as good as those guys.

Maybe it is genetics

opp4myodd wrote:

Van Damme was a smoker wrote:

All my short distance PRs are from my smoking days.

If it catches up with those guys it will be long after they and the OP are no longer running.

And he's not going to catch up with them.

You’re either not very fast then or you’re not deserving of your genetics

He won Silver at the 76 800m and 1500m. Had PRs of 1:43.86 for 800m and 3:36.26 for 1500m. Probably would've ran even fast if not for his tragic death from a car accident.

Do kids still smoke old-fashioned cigarettes? I'll give olds a pass on cigarettes, but if you're under 60, live in the USA and smoke them you're AUTOMATICALLY a loser.

you must be a idiot wrote:

opp4myodd wrote:

You’re either not very fast then or you’re not deserving of your genetics

He won Silver at the 76 800m and 1500m. Had PRs of 1:43.86 for 800m and 3:36.26 for 1500m. Probably would've ran even fast if not for his tragic death from a car accident.

https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/belgian-middle-distance-runner-ivo-van-damme-news-photo/639618817

Not Van Damme idiot, I’m talking about the responder

How do you know wrote:

LoneStarXC wrote:

No. Your teammates would be faster if they didn’t smoke and drink.

How do you know?

It’s common knowledge.

focus on running not other BS wrote:

Everything else, like core work and diet is nonsense.

Yep, sure... A weak core is a good idea. And it really doesn't matter at all what you eat. Common sense is overrated

otter wrote:

focus on running not other BS wrote:

Everything else, like core work and diet is nonsense.

Yep, sure... A weak core is a good idea. And it really doesn't matter at all what you eat. Common sense is overrated

Right, and people running a lot have a weak core?

Diet is overrated, in the 70s and 80s american distance runner ate everything but the kitchen sink.

I don't recall Bill Rodgers or Frank Shorter in there autobiography talking about core work, stretching etc.

All those little things(core, stretching, clean diet etc) people waste there time with doesn't matter.

Mileage and training hard is what matters.

I haven't done any core work in years. Guess what? Make posture in my form has not change.

opp4myodd wrote:

Van Damme was a smoker wrote:

All my short distance PRs are from my smoking days.

If it catches up with those guys it will be long after they and the OP are no longer running.

And he's not going to catch up with them.

You’re either not very fast then or you’re not deserving of your genetics

Maybe both but the group of guys mentioned by the OP aren't fast either.

confusedguy13 wrote:

I’m probably one of the only kids who don’t smoke or drink on my team since I don’t want to ruin my body or make myself slower.

But everyone else on my team smokes/vapes, drinks heavily, and they rarely practice yet they are faster than me still. These are guys who heavily smoke and drink still splitting low 17 high 16 5k’s while I’d be lucky just to hit a high 17 5k.

Can someone explain how my teammates can ruin their body with drugs and alcohol but are still faster than me?

I find your story hard to believe or it is greatly exagerated. We had people in our HS that, besides the vaping, led a similar self-destructive lifestyle, but they ended up at the continuation school in town and they would have sh*t in Macy's window (popular saying back in the last century) before going out for XC. Are we talking a pack a day and drunk every night or just 2-3 cigarettes and drinking only at the weekend party.

If it's as bad as you say it is, but they can still pass their classes and beat you in XC, you should admire them.

confusedguy13 wrote:

I’m probably one of the only kids who don’t smoke or drink on my team since I don’t want to ruin my body or make myself slower.

But everyone else on my team smokes/vapes, drinks heavily, and they rarely practice yet they are faster than me still. These are guys who heavily smoke and drink still splitting low 17 high 16 5k’s while I’d be lucky just to hit a high 17 5k.

Can someone explain how my teammates can ruin their body with drugs and alcohol but are still faster than me?

There are always genetic outliers. People who don't get effected much by smoke. People who take an abnormally high amount of alcohol to get drunk. Just like there are guys who break 16 in their first 5k after only a few weeks of running. However, when you bet against the average, odds are it will come back to bite you in the face. Statistically speaking, smoking will ruin your lungs over time and make you slower, give you health problems, and cause you to die younger than you would have otherwise. Who knows, maybe your teamates would be low 16/high 15 guys if they didn't smoke.

confusedrunned6 wrote:

stateroftheoblivious wrote:

It could be that smoking and a bad diet are helping to keep their weight down.

But more miles could do that, too.

Or it could be all genetics, especially if you all are doing the same workload.

But they don’t run a lot of miles either. Ever since they started smoking and drinking they’ve just kinda quit running and practices, but still run in weights. I work 20x as hard as they do and so do most kids on my team, but we’re all still nearly as good as those guys.

Maybe it is genetics

You shouldn't be working 20x as hard as anyone, unless they don't attend practice whatsoever. Remember, you get faster from recovery, not training. If you overtrain yourself, you won't get faster, no matter how hard you train.

smoking is it really bad? wrote:

LoneStarXC wrote:

They’re on borrowed time. Their lungs and livers will be ruined when they’re in their 20s.

My great grandmother smoked since she was a like 12 or something, she lived just short of her 90 th birthday. She walked everyday, up till her death. Never suffered any real ailments from smoking. Me personally, I believe the harms of smoking is overblown. I mean as the smoking rates in America has been declining, as the obesity, diabetes and other diseases rates is going up. I don't smoke, I do not think it is good for someone to do, but I do think the harms of smoking has been overblown.

The plural of anecdote isn’t evidence.

joalturn wrote:

smoking is it really bad? wrote:

My great grandmother smoked since she was a like 12 or something, she lived just short of her 90 th birthday. She walked everyday, up till her death. Never suffered any real ailments from smoking. Me personally, I believe the harms of smoking is overblown. I mean as the smoking rates in America has been declining, as the obesity, diabetes and other diseases rates is going up. I don't smoke, I do not think it is good for someone to do, but I do think the harms of smoking has been overblown.

The plural of anecdote isn’t evidence.

Wrong, anecdotal evidence isn't good evidence, but it is evidence. Haven't ever heard of a case report?

Kvothe wrote:

confusedrunned6 wrote:

But they don’t run a lot of miles either. Ever since they started smoking and drinking they’ve just kinda quit running and practices, but still run in weights. I work 20x as hard as they do and so do most kids on my team, but we’re all still nearly as good as those guys.

Maybe it is genetics

You shouldn't be working 20x as hard as anyone, unless they don't attend practice whatsoever. Remember, you get faster from recovery, not training. If you overtrain yourself, you won't get faster, no matter how hard you train.

If the druggies don't attend practice, 20 becomes ∞.

don't waste your time and just run wrote:

otter wrote:

Yep, sure... A weak core is a good idea. And it really doesn't matter at all what you eat. Common sense is overrated

Right, and people running a lot have a weak core?

Diet is overrated, in the 70s and 80s american distance runner ate everything but the kitchen sink.

I don't recall Bill Rodgers or Frank Shorter in there autobiography talking about core work, stretching etc.

All those little things(core, stretching, clean diet etc) people waste there time with doesn't matter.

Mileage and training hard is what matters.

I haven't done any core work in years. Guess what? Make posture in my form has not change.

Look, no matter how you slice it maximizing recovery and working on areas that prevent injury will make you consistent and healthy in training.

Maybe Bill Rodgers could have run the Marathon a lot faster now. We consider him one of the best of his time. I feel he could have been one of the best of our time as well. To think otherwise would be insulting to him. Did you ever consider that?

Why do you think athletes are on performance enhancing drugs? To maximize recovery is the number one reason so they can effectively do more and better workouts on a regular basis.

Don’t give faliciuos examples to prove your point. Try to think logically. We are not training elite athletes to run 209-211 anymore. Most of the pro athletes today are looking for that edge and do have a regimen of core work they do. I know of this first hand.

Don’t underestimate the importance of hip weakness, diet, sleep.

I eat 100% clean (I have to technically to manage my autoimmune condition), don’t drink nor smoke and I run mid 6s for the mile and 22s for the 5k. I have friends who party and drug their lives away who can beat me. I run intervals and milage and I swear to god I am not trolling. It’s talent, all talent. Just focus on being the best YOU can be. Some people are working harder than you to run even slower times believe it or not.