Is Galen Rupp's easy pace the reason he's heads and shoulders above everyone else in U.S Marathon running?

Rupp is a generational American talent, and that is what carries him above the rest. End of story.

1) All pro runners dope.

2) All pro runners train hard and are focused.

3) Salazar is not a genius with some brilliant plan. This isn't rocket science. All pro runners do essentially the same training with some variations.

THE POINT IS, give another pro access to NOP and all the bells and whistles that coming along with it (science, drugs, nike money, and Salazar) and they still won't be as fast as Rupp. Why?

Because he is more talented.

"They are all talented guys"

Yeah, and they aren't GENERATIONAL talents like Rupp.

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These guy's have no problem running 5:20-30 pace over hills and Rupp is like five notches above them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoJJ8rOwfqQ

truth bomb wrote:

There is only 1 Kenyan that you could say is faster than Rupp. What do you think his easy pace is?

There are dozens of Kenyans who could literally beat Rupp's PR, if right this moment you emailed them a plane ticket to a flat race on the weekend.

Meanwhile the Africans run much slower on their easy runs and are 1-5 min faster than Rupp.

heart rate matters, it is a more valuable tool to measure effort than pace.

Galen can easily run 5:20 pace without getting his HR above 120 or 130. If he were to run 7 min his heart rate would be like 80 and that doesn't do anything physiologically.

I remember he ran like 1:01 in the half marathon and it looked like a jog a few years back.

Lilesa Desisa runs the vast majority of his runs at slower than 7 minute pace and his time in NYC was over 20 seconds faster than Rupps on the much easier Chicago course.

Uh, no. Talent is the main reason. If what you're suggesting is true, then if all the other U.S. marathoners started running 5:20-5:30 pace for easy runs, then they'd run 2:06. That said, I believe it is a PART of NOP training. Mo Farah has said in interviews that Salazar changed his easy pace from 7 minutes to Rupp's pace. However, I also believe that running faster easy pace means less recovery, which is where gray area doping fills the gap.

heisbetter wrote:

How many 18-22 year olds, say: "man, i can't wait to do the marathon!"??

Nobody.

Samuel Wanjiru

If the most talented distance runners ran the marathon instead of the 5,000m and 10,000m, we would see everyone in the top 20 go under 2:04.

I have always felt that Rupp has the greatest running form of all time and it’s not even close. This alone allows him not only to race faster, but to put in huge volume at a faster than usual pace for an elite without getting injured or burned out.

Rupp fan wrote:

I have always felt that Rupp has the greatest running form of all time and it’s not even close. This alone allows him not only to race faster, but to put in huge volume at a faster than usual pace for an elite without getting injured or burned out.

I've always seen Rupp as one of the least efficient running forms ever. Especially for the marathon.

Not a Rupp fan wrote:

Rupp fan wrote:

I have always felt that Rupp has the greatest running form of all time and it’s not even close. This alone allows him not only to race faster, but to put in huge volume at a faster than usual pace for an elite without getting injured or burned out.

I've always seen Rupp as one of the least efficient running forms ever. Especially for the marathon.

What is so bad about his running form? Seems alright to me. Very relaxed. Efficient.

Rupp runs barefoot wrote:

Not a Rupp fan wrote:

I've always seen Rupp as one of the least efficient running forms ever. Especially for the marathon.

What is so bad about his running form? Seems alright to me. Very relaxed. Efficient.

Too much on his toes, which explains his injury he got. Just watch his form vs others. He waste too much energy bouncing vs going forward. If he fixed that he could cut off a minute or two on his marathon PR.

bring a 26 x minute 10k to the table, any now you're talking good marathon. does not matter race, creed or religion.

al sal deserves many cudos, despite whatever cheathing he's doing, it's not the nature of the full blown cheats, like the chinese women (they had no clue about what they were doing) the bolt's and the blake's and the moroccon's with the ultimate PED program.... peptide, hgh epo testosterone program, or even the over the counter african protocol.

but al sal is an ahole.

still good luck to these guys and rupp.

sad but true wrote:

truth bomb wrote:

There is only 1 Kenyan that you could say is faster than Rupp. What do you think his easy pace is?

There are dozens of Kenyans who could literally beat Rupp's PR, if right this moment you emailed them a plane ticket to a flat race on the weekend.

Lol. There are literally only 8 Kenyans faster than Rupp in 2018. 7 of those those 8 Kenyans were only faster because they were put in a better race, in a better course, in better weather. If you put all the Kenyans and Rupp in Berlin there would only be one Kenyan faster.

silly clowns wrote:

sad but true wrote:

There are dozens of Kenyans who could literally beat Rupp's PR, if right this moment you emailed them a plane ticket to a flat race on the weekend.

Lol. There are literally only 8 Kenyans faster than Rupp in 2018. 7 of those those 8 Kenyans were only faster because they were put in a better race, in a better course, in better weather. If you put all the Kenyans and Rupp in Berlin there would only be one Kenyan faster.

List of Kenyans currently active that would crush Rupp in the marathon.

Eliud Kipchoge

Wilson Kipsang, yes he's a bit pass his prime but he could still crush him

Geoffrey Kamworor

Lawrence Cherono

Matthew Kipkoech Kisorio

Emmanuel Saina

Nobert Kigen

Dickson Chumba

Kenneth Kiprop Kipkemoi

Laban Korir

Than there is Leonard Korir, the American I believe would give Rupp a smack down in the marathon. 2020 trials Korir FTW in the marathon if he moves up in time.

LMAO if you believe that wrote:

silly clowns wrote:

Lol. There are literally only 8 Kenyans faster than Rupp in 2018. 7 of those those 8 Kenyans were only faster because they were put in a better race, in a better course, in better weather. If you put all the Kenyans and Rupp in Berlin there would only be one Kenyan faster.

List of Kenyans currently active that would crush Rupp in the marathon.

Eliud Kipchoge

Wilson Kipsang, yes he's a bit pass his prime but he could still crush him

Geoffrey Kamworor

Lawrence Cherono

Matthew Kipkoech Kisorio

Emmanuel Saina

Nobert Kigen

Dickson Chumba

Kenneth Kiprop Kipkemoi

Laban Korir

Than there is Leonard Korir, the American I believe would give Rupp a smack down in the marathon. 2020 trials Korir FTW in the marathon if he moves up in time.

Kamworor had a slower 2018 SB than Rupp, they are similar abilities. Would be a coin toss in a race.

Kisorio got done for PEDs

Nobert Kigen ran 2:09 for 3rd in Eindhoven this year. He's hit or miss.

Dickson Chumba raced Galen in Chicago and dropped out.

Kenneth Kiprop Kipkemoi finished a few seconds in front of Rupp in Chicago, definitely not a crushing victory. Has a similar PB to Rupp.

Laban Korir is a 2:06 guy like Rupp.

Really, I could have thought of much better Kenyan marathoners to make your point with. Lauding these guys over Rupp just seems like you're fanboying the Kenyans.

Put Rupp and a bunch of Kenyans in Berlin and run it 10 times on 10 different days (assuming recovery from one marathon to the other isn't a factor, they are peaked and tapered going into each one) and then score it like XC and lowest overall score wins, my money is on Rupp being 2nd or 3rd honestly.