Gwen Jorgensen has gone dark?

moanswers wrote:

BergLaufer wrote:

It was her first marathon, not everyone has a home run on there first try. I'll wait to comment on rather or not she is a marathoner after she does a few of them.

+1

But...was her poor performance due to some obvious factor? Bad weather, fueling or pacing error, etc? Usually when marathons don't reflect the potential of the runner, there's a reason why.

From what I can see, she paced the first half very evenly, coming through the half just under 1:16, so I don't see any obvious issue. Chicago's weather was fine - not perfect, but not something that would explain a horrible race. And I've seen no mention of fueling errors, missed water bottles, etc.

Without an obvious explanation for the 2:36, it seems more likely that she's just not as good at the marathon as she is at shorter distances.

BergLaufer wrote:

It was her first marathon, not everyone has a home run on there first try. I'll wait to comment on rather or not she is a marathoner after she does a few of them.

Actually it was her second marathon, in about the same time as the first one.

Triathlon to Running... wrote:

Here's one of the comments on instagram where she posted going for a 3 hour bike ride to help rebuild fitness. "A morning run followed by a 3 hour ride. I love being able to use the bike to try to jumpstart my fitness." Response from fan: "If I remember cycling helps running but running doesn’t help cycling. Something I was told years ago".

Running helps cycling, because it develops your whole body for support. Cycling hurts running, because you're only using the quads, and pedaling in very small circles. She's making a mistake to use cycling for running.

#2` wrote:

BergLaufer wrote:

It was her first marathon, not everyone has a home run on there first try. I'll wait to comment on rather or not she is a marathoner after she does a few of them.

Actually it was her second marathon, in about the same time as the first one.

First marathon off of actual marathon training. Her first official marathon was off of triathlon training.

darkwave wrote:

moanswers wrote:

+1

Without an obvious explanation for the 2:36, it seems more likely that she's just not as good at the marathon as she is at shorter distances.

I wonder about getting the taper right. That is part science, part art and I believe it is a bigger factor in marathon performance than people give it credit for. There was a study several years back where they tested muscle damage in runners the week before a marathon and found that it was more than would be expected in a large number of the runners. Also, sometimes it's just not there on that particular day.

the letter why wrote:

Yes, but Tebow also wasn’t any good at football...

So is Gwen

The fan got it backwards wrote:

Triathlon to Running... wrote:

Here's one of the comments on instagram where she posted going for a 3 hour bike ride to help rebuild fitness. "A morning run followed by a 3 hour ride. I love being able to use the bike to try to jumpstart my fitness." Response from fan: "If I remember cycling helps running but running doesn’t help cycling. Something I was told years ago".

Running helps cycling, because it develops your whole body for support. Cycling hurts running, because you're only using the quads, and pedaling in very small circles. She's making a mistake to use cycling for running.

Pretty sure if cycling is fantastic for hills. If you are training for a hilly race or a up hill race, cycling would greatly help you.

i disagree Joe and here is why wrote:

Pretty sure if cycling is fantastic for hills. If you are training for a hilly race or a up hill race, cycling would greatly help you.

It doesn't though.

Running is good for running, and cycling is not.

dunes runner wrote:

i disagree Joe and here is why wrote:

Pretty sure if cycling is fantastic for hills. If you are training for a hilly race or a up hill race, cycling would greatly help you.

It doesn't though.

Running is good for running, and cycling is not.

Denying cycling has no place or does not improve running at all for running is just silly. Just think of the muscles you use when running up a hill and the motion of your legs going up a hill and compare it to when you are cycling.

Running is the hardest part of a triathlon, so switching to running is like doing the hard part continuously. The word for someone who just likes to sample hobbies without devoting themselves is “dilettante.”

You're a little prick wrote:

Who the hell is Gwen Jorginssen?

A self-centered broad. Im cute and Im fit, look at me everybody, hang on my words, follow me on facebook.

dunes runner wrote:

i disagree Joe and here is why wrote:

Pretty sure if cycling is fantastic for hills. If you are training for a hilly race or a up hill race, cycling would greatly help you.

It doesn't though.

Running is good for running, and cycling is not.

I think you're wrong on this, at least in a general level. Cannot say if cycling would help people at Rupp or Kipchoge's level.

Personally, when I cycle a good bit, hills are significantly easier to run. It's also a great way to "build endurance" without impact. I know many guys in my cycling club that decided to try running in the off season, and without exception they were already significantly ahead of a similar person who starts with no cycling background.

There was no couch to 5k program needed, they just went and ran 5k or 10k right from the beginning. My first casual runs in the winter of 2008/2009 after a great year of cycling, I started at 4 and 5 mile runs in the 7:40/mi range and felt like I was holding back. I'm not suggesting those are great, competitive times, but there is no way a new 35 year old runner off the couch could start that way.

Lukas Verzbicas is a better example. It is well known that he was a lower milage runner who cycled a lot. It would be hard to argue his results on the running scene (and I do not believe parents would dope their child. Nope).

In closing, I am still a big fan of Gwen and what she is trying, but if she bails on this after one "bad" race, then I'll stop giving a crap about anything she says or does. It's not the right attitude. Triathlon will still be there after the Olympic trials and she can still earn a living then.

Oh Please wrote:

dunes runner wrote:

It doesn't though.

Running is good for running, and cycling is not.

I think you're wrong on this, at least in a general level. Cannot say if cycling would help people at Rupp or Kipchoge's level.

Personally, when I cycle a good bit, hills are significantly easier to run. It's also a great way to "build endurance" without impact.

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Lukas Verzbicas is a better example.

Well, we are talking about an athlete who wants to be at Rupp or Kipchoge's level. Win an Olympic gold or other medal. In the marathon.

I'm with Dunes Runner. You can't compete at the highest level in the marathon by cross training. Wouldn't Kipchoge love to say "My legs are tired, I'll just cycle today and build my cardio". It doesn't work that way and he knows it.

Lukas wasn't contending in the marathon. He did well at shorter events, but not world class.

The marathon needs full commitment. No cross training. No side sports that could get you injured. Every ounce of energy must go into building running mileage. It's what works. Supplementing with cycling will only slow you down and get you a mediocre time like say 2:35(Women) or 2:15(Men).