2019 College Track & Field Open Coaching Positions Discussion

I really don’t think anyone gives a crap about Stanford’s directer of operations position.

No one cares about their meets.

No one cares about Stanford.

They will never win a national championship.

They are garbage....

Everyone get off their n*ts.

Xc season wrote:

Some teams report this week for XC and don’t have a coach announced yet. Some schools without a coach include

Chattanooga- Assistant

Cornell-?

Miami- not announced yet

Monmouth- Director

Northwestern- Assistant

Oklahoma- ?

Purdue Fort Wayne- Head coach

Stanford- will likely hire another assistant

USF- if they hire one and Jenkins doesn’t coach it

Utah- Assistant needed

Yale- Assistant

Plus all the California schools that haven’t made hires/announced them yet.

Feel free to add to list, or if I missed someone hired to one of these schools.

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Stanford - JJ chose his assistant coaches. They are going through background check.

UCSB - Darius Terry will be announced this week.

UC Irvine - Announcement this week. One of the Big West second assistants will be named.

Meet Director wrote:

You are missing the point. Stanford Invite and Payton Jordan are hugely important meets. Somebody at Stanford has to run those. Hosting big meets is not easy. There’s a reason the Powell’s at UW contracted Jason Drake to come back and help run UW Invite and Husky.

There seems to be a lot of concern that JJ does not have the skill set to run meets of that caliber. If he isn’t able to bring in someone who does, what will those meets become? Those are the questions being asked right now.

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Same guy. Different name. Whining about Director of Ops being the most important job on any staff. Key give away in his posts are: "You are missing my point" and "You just don't understand". I am more concerned who JJ chooses as the Director of Hops than Director of Hilton Honors Club. I want to know who the long distance coach is over the administrator that is in charge of what airlines I get my long distance miles and Marriott points.

You just don't understand. You are completely missing this guy's point...….

fake news alert wrote:

See, I was right! In fact, with that much money invested into the distance events, you probably should have been top 10. Teams like Iona, Providence, and others have fared much better with less scholarships in XC.

I can't defend LSU and USC's poor XC results. They should be better. But they are focusing on track -they actually win national championships using their scholarship money in other places. And there aren't many distance runners who want to live down south and have to practice at 5am every day because of the heat. And they can't get a 4:54 women's 1600m runner for books (which is what they are worth) when you and other distance-only programs are throwing full rides at them.

This is great information. Thanks! Just a couple of notes: Nobody was on a full scholarship at Toledo but, you know, details. Oh by the way, I don't think I have never signed a 4:54 girl before, so in the future this information would be helpful. We were at the NCAAs with a bunch of blue collar 5:05/11:05 runners that all improved. Again...details and facts are a bit#h....On a huge positive, however, I am excited for all of Mid-Major coaches reading this thread that are now jazzed to know that simply by investing 10 scholarships in distance that you can, and clearly should, finish in the Top-10 at the NCAAs in cross country.

Oh yeah, and I totally agree about the heat and the built in excuse as to why they cannot field a full team and finish dead last in their conferences. I can see where these distance girls all would much rather go somewhere cool and breezy like, I don't know: Arizona State, Texas, Atlanta, Florida State, Ole Miss and Mississippi State rather than places like Miami, USC and LSU because of, well, you know...the heat.

Enjoy your day. You can't stop winning! :)

I totally agree!! Seems like some schools are even more specialized now then they were before. LSU, Miami, and USC, don't even give a second thought to distance running these days.

When I competed in the Pac-10 a decade ago, USC was a more balanced track and field team. Their coach back then was Ron Alice. And he seemed to care a little bit about their distances. I remember they had a few solid international girls in the middle and long distances. Even LSU and Miami had a few good middle distances runners that compete in XC.

Today, it's an entire different story. Those programs load most of their scholarships into the sprints and hurdles, and their field events and distances end up suffering for it.

And that bad why??? You all would not bat an eye at a team with a facility investing all their money in distance. Let teams win how they want to win. Balanced teams are not successful on the national level. And frankly distance focused teams are no longer relevant in track. This is why our sport (track and field) needs to be broken away from XC.

Kevin Hadsell wrote:

meet director part 2 wrote:

Mentions nothing about meet or event management!!!

https://ncaamarket.ncaa.org/jobs/12630140/director-of-track-and-field-operations

I guess I haven't taken enough time to read through what I missed the last few days...But is someone trying to claim that JJ is not capable of being the head coach at Stanford because of the Stanford track meets? Schools like Stanford have athletic departments that run like large businesses he will have more than enough support. I don't know JJ at all but I would assume he is far smarter and accomplished than some people seem to be giving him credit for. The amount of chatter from the cheap seats on this one is a bit over the top. Just my opinion.

Not saying JJ isn't up for it. But the track staff is entirely responsible for the meets, minus security, officials, etc. Stanford might have the best overall athletics program in the NCAA, but they don't have the same athletic staff/budget as many top Power 5 schools. The Texas coaches have zero to do with putting on the Relays. Stanford coaches (and Director of Ops) put on their meets.

Lately, they've been enlisting outside help with putting the fields together for the Invite and Payton, namely Henner while he was between jobs, and Jason Drake.

Who cares.... wrote:

I really don’t think anyone gives a crap about Stanford’s directer of operations position.

No one cares about their meets.

No one cares about Stanford.

They will never win a national championship.

They are garbage....

Everyone get off their n*ts.

I hope this is just trolling.

Do you understand how important Payton Jordan is, and has been, to U.S., and even global, distance running?

Look at the percentage of women's 10,000 entrants from the past few global championships who achieved their standards at Stanford.

Meets aint easy wrote:

meet director part 2 wrote:

Mentions nothing about meet or event management!!!

https://ncaamarket.ncaa.org/jobs/12630140/director-of-track-and-field-operations

Not saying JJ isn't up for it. But the track staff is entirely responsible for the meets, minus security, officials, etc. Stanford might have the best overall athletics program in the NCAA, but they don't have the same athletic staff/budget as many top Power 5 schools. The Texas coaches have zero to do with putting on the Relays. Stanford coaches (and Director of Ops) put on their meets.

Lately, they've been enlisting outside help with putting the fields together for the Invite and Payton, namely Henner while he was between jobs, and Jason Drake.

If the position is as important as you say it is, and we have no reason to doubt you, wouldn't a good CEO take his time to make sure he absolutely has the right person in that position? Are you claiming this hiring process should be happening faster? Maybe I am missing the point you are trying to make. Sounds like he is keeping his cards close to his chest and wants to make very well thought-out decisions. This is likely his last job so he wants to make it perfect. I don't know him but it would make sense to just let the man make these important decisions without feeling rushed. He is not obligated to clue anyone in on his plans nor is anyone really entitled to be clued in to said plans either.

So the examples you used are teams that won national championships by focusing on track. Yet you could barely even qualify for Nationals focusing all your money in the distance events.

You had 18 scholarships tied up in 4

out of 22 events on the track (you never really had 800 runners). How can you complain about teams that focus 18 scholarships on the other 18 events?

And don't use the mid major excuse - you had just as many scholarships as the power 5 teams. Best you could put out there was a 59 second runner in the 400.

You sound like a scorned hs girl. It is clear you are not even reading his post. He said he had 10 in distance. 17 total across 40 or so women in all events. And what’s “barely qualified?” They made it at-large every time. Obviously you don’t coach and more obvious you don’t like Kevin. I would wager that he couldn’t care less. Neither do the rest of us. Trying to argue that someone who took a shittyt school like Toledo to the NCAAs multiple times is not any good is not going to get any support. Those of us that actually coach know how hard that is. You sound like an idiot. Did he steal your girlfriend? Bang your wife? Maybe he spurned your advances?

Bad examples wrote:

So the examples you used are teams that won national championships by focusing on track. Yet you could barely even qualify for Nationals focusing all your money in the distance events.

You had 18 scholarships tied up in 4

out of 22 events on the track (you never really had 800 runners). How can you complain about teams that focus 18 scholarships on the other 18 events?

And don't use the mid major excuse - you had just as many scholarships as the power 5 teams. Best you could put out there was a 59 second runner in the 400.

You're cute. I remember my first wine cooler too. Keep posting. You sound really smart. You're right! I was a mediocre track coach. I will make sure I add that to my acting resume and we will all laugh and laugh. *kisses* ;)

Stanford AD: “Welcome to your first day on the job as Director, JJ.”

JJ: “Thank you. I can’t wait to get started on building a great coaching staff and recruiting elite talent to win a national championship.”

Stanford AD: “hmmmm”

JJ: (With a perplexed look) “I’m sorry, but is something wrong?”

Stanford AD: “Well JJ, it’s just, I thought you had your priorities straight.”

JJ: (befuddled) “aaa umm, I’m confused”

Stanford AD: “We just need to get on the same page.”

JJ: “Yes of course!”

Stanford AD: “I understand your desire to utilize Stanford’s abundant resources and universal appeal to recruit great coaches and student athletes. But let’s get one thing clear, your main objective while you’re here is to ensure that you have a great director of Operations who can run competitive meets.”

JJ: “Well, yes sir, Director of operations is no my list of positions to fill.”

Stanford AD: (with a red anger culminating in a heavy fist slamming on the fine repurposed Brazilian oak desk) “NO JJ! YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND!”

JJ: “Sir?!”

Stanford AD: “At Stanford, we pride ourselves on women earning 10,000m qualifying marks at our Payton Jordan meet.”

JJ: (exulting a slight breath of understanding) “Yes, I can see how our strong distance program would be expected to develop great women to hit that standard”

Stanford AD: “DAMMIT JJ! NO!!!” (Anger and rage have come over the AD, his passion and energy apparent to JJ)

JJ: (to self, wiping hand down face in a flustered manner) “...what did I get myself in to...”

Stanford AD: “Not Stanford women, ALL WOMEN! YOUR PRIORITY IS ENSURING ANY WOMAN WITH A STRONG 10K TIME SHOWS UP OUR MEETS AND HITS THAT STANDARD!!!”

JJ: (confidently) “Ok Sir, I think I get it. I’m off to hire an exceptional distance coach and crush the 10k”

Stanford AD: “DAMMIT JJ!!!”

Look, all we want is a distance coach so we have a plan for the XC season. All this other stuff is insane BS. An opps person to run the meets is a close second though.

Kevin Hadsell wrote:

Bad examples wrote:

So the examples you used are teams that won national championships by focusing on track. Yet you could barely even qualify for Nationals focusing all your money in the distance events.

You had 18 scholarships tied up in 4

out of 22 events on the track (you never really had 800 runners). How can you complain about teams that focus 18 scholarships on the other 18 events?

And don't use the mid major excuse - you had just as many scholarships as the power 5 teams. Best you could put out there was a 59 second runner in the 400.

You're cute. I remember my first wine cooler too. Keep posting. You sound really smart. You're right! I was a mediocre track coach. I will make sure I add that to my acting resume and we will all laugh and laugh. *kisses* ;)

Absolutely savage. Lolz.

Everyone should care wrote:

Who cares.... wrote:

I really don’t think anyone gives a crap about Stanford’s directer of operations position.

No one cares about their meets.

No one cares about Stanford.

They will never win a national championship.

They are garbage....

Everyone get off their n*ts.

I hope this is just trolling.

Do you understand how important Payton Jordan is, and has been, to U.S., and even global, distance running?

Look at the percentage of women's 10,000 entrants from the past few global championships who achieved their standards at Stanford.

It's not Stanford's job, nor the job of it's coaches to support distance running for the US nor the World. Their job it to take care of THEIR student-athletes. Even if Stanford stopped hosting home meets, distance running will go on.

focus wrote:

Everyone should care wrote:

I hope this is just trolling.

Do you understand how important Payton Jordan is, and has been, to U.S., and even global, distance running?

Look at the percentage of women's 10,000 entrants from the past few global championships who achieved their standards at Stanford.

It's not Stanford's job, nor the job of it's coaches to support distance running for the US nor the World. Their job it to take care of THEIR student-athletes. Even if Stanford stopped hosting home meets, distance running will go on.

I'm not saying the meets/DirOps should be the highest priority of JJ/Stanford Athletics. I am saying that the Stanford meets are the most important part of Stanford Track & Field to the sport of Track & Field. I think things have gone astray a bit here because some think that all the posts about the the Stanford meets/Ops are by the same person. They are not.

......I think things have gone astray a bit here....

Going out on a limb and saying this is the quote of the entire thread. Or at least portion of a thread.

~Kevin