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Eight weeks after running 2:55:17 at Toronto. Said then that his watch messed up and he realized too late that he was off pace to break the record.
Also said that he was pointing to break the record at Jacksonville before the Toronto invite came up.
Followed through on his plan.
Very, very impressive. But for Gene to continue this 'pace' as long as Ed did will be almost impossible.
Does he get tested for PEDs? Just curious about the elite older guys - not accusing him of anything.
kmaclam wrote:
Very, very impressive. But for Gene to continue this 'pace' as long as Ed did will be almost impossible.
Why's that? Because Whitlock ran 3 hours a day and not many old guys have wife's who'll allow that? Haha.
Ed was a groundbreaker, but all records can be broken. Jerome Drayton's record finally fell.
Whitlock was always over-rated... small sample size.
He also ran 3:2x at CIM, Not sure what that was about.
Ed was 73 when he ran the 2:54, Gene is 70, so Ed still ahead on age-graded basis.
Gene has more potential for old age improvement.
I remember people scoffed when I said Ed-like performances would become more the norm than exception.
Qualified for Boston by 1:25:37.
I could be wrong, but I think this is a lifetime PR so Gene is still improving.
In the Age of TRT, Ed-like performances will become more common. Not saying Gene is doing this, but the numbers are compelling. When you have 100K men on TRT, in some way or another it will start affecting masters sports results, given the token nature of performance testing at this level. It's like trying to keep out illegal aliens with a poorly defended border.
$8.5 BILLION in testosterone sales this year.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/320301/predicted-annual-testosterone-drug-revenues-in-the-us/
YMMV wrote:
$8.5 BILLION in testosterone sales this year.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/320301/predicted-annual-testosterone-drug-revenues-in-the-us/
TRT is notoriously hard to obtain in the UK. I believe TRT prescriptions are dished out like aspirin by doctors in the USA, however, even to 30 year olds.
Yet despite this, according to World Masters Rankings (which is a US based site), most of the rankings are dominated by Brits and Europeans.
It's also far easier for Masters to take part in track races in the USA.
Coevett wrote:
YMMV wrote:
$8.5 BILLION in testosterone sales this year.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/320301/predicted-annual-testosterone-drug-revenues-in-the-us/TRT is notoriously hard to obtain in the UK. I believe TRT prescriptions are dished out like aspirin by doctors in the USA, however, even to 30 year olds.
Yet despite this, according to World Masters Rankings (which is a US based site), most of the rankings are dominated by Brits and Europeans.
It's also far easier for Masters to take part in track races in the USA.
Test is available OTC in Spain and other Euro countries.
YMMV wrote:
When you have 100K men on TRT, in some way or another it will start affecting masters sports results, given the token nature of performance testing at this level.
Read the Landis interview on the front page. They are focused on catching Masters cheats. That's who they're catching. Masters are unfairly targeted if they run fast. Open athletes and sub-elites are the ones with token testing.
If you run fast as a Master, everyone throws out the TRT card. Look how this thread devolved.
Test enough Masters, and someone will get caught with a false positive. Unfair.
I am not sure how much TRT alone will help with distance running for the 70+ runners. As a runner getting close to that age, overuse injuries to connective tissue and joints from training too hard or racing generally are the limiting factor on performance. TRT obviously makes it easier to build muscular strength and to recover quicker from a hard training effort, but I don't know that it will improve the durability of connective tissue and joints. However, there are some studies that have shown that HGH can stimulate and improve collagen synthesis. Probably, some cocktail of Testosterone, HGH and EPO will be figured out for older athletes who can afford it that will significantly improve performance. I think that right now, unless you finish in the top 3 at a Masters National championship, your odds of getting drug tested are zero.
He ran CIM as an easy run and to qualify for world marathon championships. And the day after an ultra.
Read the Front Page wrote:
YMMV wrote:
When you have 100K men on TRT, in some way or another it will start affecting masters sports results, given the token nature of performance testing at this level.
Read the Landis interview on the front page. They are focused on catching Masters cheats. That's who they're catching. Masters are unfairly targeted if they run fast. Open athletes and sub-elites are the ones with token testing.
If you run fast as a Master, everyone throws out the TRT card. Look how this thread devolved.
Test enough Masters, and someone will get caught with a false positive. Unfair.
When I start dominating Masters competitions in a couple of years I bett they will be picking me out and testing me every race, simply because I'm super buff.
DNA sequencing of the top dogs would be interesting would probably add to the SNP database
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/snp
There gotta be favorable Polymorphisms for running in general and old fart running too.
Some elite runners do not age so well while some hobby joggers turn into age group elites pretty interesting stuff.
KL wrote:
Whitlock was always over-rated... small sample size.
His marathon records were overrated. His whole body of work was not. He was essentially a mid-d runner who managed to run very fast marathons by working on his endurance. When you have a more natural endurance monster seriously training to break the record, his marathon records can be matched or surpassed. But we still haven't seen anyone with his range from 1500m to marathon, and Dykes is certainly not one of them.