I bought a pair of Cheaterfly 4% , how are they even legal?

nmRUNNERgirl wrote:

They are good shoes but I think you have to be careful to avoid plantar issues. I have been wearing them in my last few races and am starting to get pain on the ball of the foot and arch.

I'm getting the same result. I tend to overpronate anyway. This shoe exacerbates the problem.

Here's how idiots wrote:

No matter how many unscientific arguments you ignorant home schoolers make, no passive shoe (or track surface) will let you run faster than your natural potential.

Sounds like someone is upset that their PR has an asterisk next to it.

compressed wrote:

They are race-legal because they are available to everybody.

So if we make epo available to everyone and than it should be legal.

Here's how idiots wrote:

No matter how many unscientific arguments you ignorant home schoolers make, no passive shoe (or track surface) will let you run faster than your natural potential.

Only if 1 training cycles worth of dosages cost no more than $240.

wait a minute wrote:

compressed wrote:

They are race-legal because they are available to everybody.

So if we make epo available to everyone and than it should be legal.

Dude, try a little harder to troll. You left out the whole second half of his sentence

"they do not pose a medical risk, and they do not conflict with any general laws (such as illegal distribution of prescription drugs)."

So no, making EPO available to everyone does not meet his requirements.

I would feel guilty wearing these shoes. If I want to get a spring I'll buy a pogo stick. I would love a pair of natural shoes. My choice would be the one's Bekele had in his 2:03:03.

I just though of something looking at this thread. In the past couple years since the release of the vaporfly. Has it outsold the retro Jordan shoe line produced by Nike? I would probably say no as they release a different Retro jordan every month or so. But the vaporfly is periodically released also, in different color ways. So can anyone get the numbers? Say 2017, which shoe outsold the other? Jordan vs Vaporfly

I bought a pair of spikes, how are they even legal?

Cool story. Now go run a marathon in them and get back to us. Thanks.

Paul Bunyan’s wrote:

Also I heard Nike isn’t making anymore of these shoes - thoughts?

I talked to a Nike rep at a marathon expo in October. This person has been a Nike rep for many years.

I asked about the limited availability of VF4s and was told that there was only 1 factory making the shoes, and at one point over the summer the factory making the carbon plates shut down overnight without any warning. So this is truly an issue of limited throughput rather than Nike pulling stunts to create a false demand.

If you read Phil Knight's book you'll appreciate how many manufacturing problems he had, especially in the early days. Most people have no idea how hard it is to produce a shipload of shoes that are all identically perfect.

I have recently been considering getting Vaporfly's and here is where I have landed:

- Previously I didn't get them because they weren't widely available and were crazy expensive (I think they were way more than $250 originally). Now you see everyone at CIM wearing them and their price is definitely expensive, but in the same order of magnitude as other flats.

- Yes, they give you an advantage that runners historically have not have had, so it makes it harder to compare records. But does that mean we need to go back to running on cinders tracks with the same shoes Jim Ryun was making? Technology develops over time and we should embrace those developments instead of rejecting them. The only reason people are reacting this way is because there haven't been significant improvements in shoe design over recent years, so this is new territory people aren't used to.

- Some have compared to using EPO or to using types of doping that are sketchy but not illegal yet because the rules haven't caught up yet. That's ridiculous - this isn't like some blind spot in the rules that USATF hasn't figured out yet that you are taking advantage of. Look at it this way - you would never admit in an interview that you were doing that random type of doping that isn't illegal, but you would obviously be fine telling people you are wearing Vaporfly's because they can already see them on your feet!

Buster Cherry wrote:

- Some have compared to using EPO or to using types of doping that are sketchy but not illegal yet because the rules haven't caught up yet. That's ridiculous - this isn't like some blind spot in the rules that USATF hasn't figured out yet that you are taking advantage of. Look at it this way - you would never admit in an interview that you were doing that random type of doping that isn't illegal, but you would obviously be fine telling people you are wearing Vaporfly's because they can already see them on your feet!

They're more akin to the now-illegal swimsuits people were using to break records a few years ago.

Seriously, this has got to be Nike marketing people making these posts. It's pretty gag inducing.

"I heard Nike isn't making anymore of these shoes..." Oh no! I'd better buy as many as I can quick! They're so good they should be illegal!

it is fucking spring technology you moron so nice try acting superior

They definitely take LRC forum readers for suckers. Sleazy. Is there a reputable poster on the site with a confirmed username who believes that the shoe makes anyone faster? I would be very surprised.

Bekele wore vaporflys in his 2:03:03

Unless you're at the level of trying to challenge Kipchoge in non Nike non springs (which YOU aren't), why should anyone really give a flying fluck at a rolling doughnut?

What difference does it make? Some chump "stole" my CR on Strava but when I looked at his run he had Vaporflys listed as his shoes, so I just shrugged my shoulders and didn't give a fluck. I know he didn't achieve a performance as good as mine, it was just the shoes.

So why is anyone getting wound up about this? What difference does it make to YOU? Wear them or don't wear them, just don't get unnecessary triggered about them.

I care so little that I thought I'd mention my STOLEN course record that I, one-hundred percent, do NOT care about. I mean who cares about that kind of stuff? I certainly don't care AT ALL! If I did, then I'd have let EVERYONE know (not just you guys) that this CHEATER is a fraud and a phony. Who the heck could count a record that was was achieved by ill-gotten gains in the first place? Not me... that's for sure! But this is all besides the point since I TOTALLY don't care about any of that nonsense.