quickndirty wrote:
It's alarming the number of runners I know that have been seriously hurt when on a bike. Usually they are biking due to a running injury, then end up with a dislocated shoulder, broken collar bone, etc from taking a nasty fall on the bike.
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YMMV wrote:
quickndirty wrote:
It's alarming the number of runners I know that have been seriously hurt when on a bike. Usually they are biking due to a running injury, then end up with a dislocated shoulder, broken collar bone, etc from taking a nasty fall on the bike.
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We lost the greatest masters runner ever, Jack Foster, to a road bike accident.
ric flair woo wrote:
Edward Cheserek moved to New Jersey from Kenya in 2010. He came on to the XC/Track scene immediatly. Winning 2011 and 2012 Footlocker finals as well as 4 track national titles (2 SMR indoor, 1 5k outdoor, 1 2mile indoor), indoor 5k and 2 mile high school records. Won 17 national titles in XC/track including winning the XC title as a freshman, soph, and junior. Some consider him the GOAT.
Lukas Verzbicas was dominant too though and had plenty of accolades. The only guy to win both NXN and FL; won FL twice; sub 4, 2 mile high school record, his epic triple win at indoor nationals.
And the only time he and Ches went head to head, Ches lost. For the indoor national 2 mile. 8:40 to 8:42. Lukas did this 2 days after winning the national title in the 5k. (Lukas was 18 AND listed as a senior, so he was not an age cheat)
Which leaves us to think...just how good was Lukas Verzbicas?
westsouthrunner wrote:
ric flair woo wrote:
Edward Cheserek moved to New Jersey from Kenya in 2010. He came on to the XC/Track scene immediatly. Winning 2011 and 2012 Footlocker finals as well as 4 track national titles (2 SMR indoor, 1 5k outdoor, 1 2mile indoor), indoor 5k and 2 mile high school records. Won 17 national titles in XC/track including winning the XC title as a freshman, soph, and junior. Some consider him the GOAT.
Lukas Verzbicas was dominant too though and had plenty of accolades. The only guy to win both NXN and FL; won FL twice; sub 4, 2 mile high school record, his epic triple win at indoor nationals.
And the only time he and Ches went head to head, Ches lost. For the indoor national 2 mile. 8:40 to 8:42. Lukas did this 2 days after winning the national title in the 5k. (Lukas was 18 AND listed as a senior, so he was not an age cheat)
Which leaves us to think...just how good was Lukas Verzbicas?
I was in hs then and watched all their races. Someone can correct me if i am wrong but I believe Lukas raced Ches in NXN, indoor 2 mile and the dream mile once or twice.
westsouthrunner wrote:
westsouthrunner wrote:
ric flair woo wrote:
Edward Cheserek moved to New Jersey from Kenya in 2010. He came on to the XC/Track scene immediatly. Winning 2011 and 2012 Footlocker finals as well as 4 track national titles (2 SMR indoor, 1 5k outdoor, 1 2mile indoor), indoor 5k and 2 mile high school records. Won 17 national titles in XC/track including winning the XC title as a freshman, soph, and junior. Some consider him the GOAT.
Lukas Verzbicas was dominant too though and had plenty of accolades. The only guy to win both NXN and FL; won FL twice; sub 4, 2 mile high school record, his epic triple win at indoor nationals.
And the only time he and Ches went head to head, Ches lost. For the indoor national 2 mile. 8:40 to 8:42. Lukas did this 2 days after winning the national title in the 5k. (Lukas was 18 AND listed as a senior, so he was not an age cheat)
Which leaves us to think...just how good was Lukas Verzbicas?
I was in hs then and watched all their races. Someone can correct me if i am wrong but I believe Lukas raced Ches in NXN, indoor 2 mile and the dream mile once or twice.
To answer your question I think he is the 2nd or third best us hs runner ever. behind webb. Certainly the most well rounded between track events and XC. if you want to somehow add in his TRI accomplishments then he was amazing.
My personal favorites growing up will always be German Fernandez and Webb
He is in his prime and supposedly completely recovered. Why isn't he racing?
One guess bruh wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
I've never understood why he ran so poorly at Oregon.
I'll give you one guess.
Back in the USSR wrote:
LV's mom ran for the Soviets and was his coach. Once he left her "program" for Oregon, he ran poorly.
Black Pilled Norman wrote:
[quote]Back in the USSR wrote:
Lukas V arrived in this country, and soon after, supposedly as a teenager, began to drop utterly ridiculous times relative to his peers. Rumblings about his age surfaced, and a quick excuse was concocted ("Oh, I promise, he's only one year overage.") In actuality, he was 4-5 years older than the high schoolers he was crushing.
Come college, he's cut from his "source" (mommy), and actually has to compete against grown adults. Not so fun anymore, eh? Throws a tantrum, ragequits, the rest is history.
Leave this dude behind and celebrate the legit high school phenoms.
ric flair woo wrote:
Black Pilled Norman wrote:
[quote]Back in the USSR wrote:
Lukas V arrived in this country, and soon after, supposedly as a teenager, began to drop utterly ridiculous times relative to his peers. Rumblings about his age surfaced, and a quick excuse was concocted ("Oh, I promise, he's only one year overage.") In actuality, he was 4-5 years older than the high schoolers he was crushing.
Come college, he's cut from his "source" (mommy), and actually has to compete against grown adults. Not so fun anymore, eh? Throws a tantrum, ragequits, the rest is history.
Leave this dude behind and celebrate the legit high school phenoms.
why are you so upset that he was good? everything you are saying is a lie.
he was born in 1993...but in 2010 he was "4-5 years older" than his competitors? math must not be your strongest subject. in fact, when he competed for IESA they have strict age limit rules. Lukas graduated high school as an 18 year old (turned 18 in january of his senior year, which is typical for seniors)
he left Oregon to pursue the triathlon. there was no "tantrum, ragequit". actually, there was not much coverage of it at all. his passion was always triathlon. with his high school running success he gave oregon a try but it wasn't for him. no reason to make up lies about him.
He will run 13:20 in the next year.
Colorado Springer wrote:
ric flair woo wrote:
Black Pilled Norman wrote:
[quote]Back in the USSR wrote:
Lukas V arrived in this country, and soon after, supposedly as a teenager, began to drop utterly ridiculous times relative to his peers. Rumblings about his age surfaced, and a quick excuse was concocted ("Oh, I promise, he's only one year overage.") In actuality, he was 4-5 years older than the high schoolers he was crushing.
Come college, he's cut from his "source" (mommy), and actually has to compete against grown adults. Not so fun anymore, eh? Throws a tantrum, ragequits, the rest is history.
Leave this dude behind and celebrate the legit high school phenoms.
why are you so upset that he was good? everything you are saying is a lie.
he was born in 1993...but in 2010 he was "4-5 years older" than his competitors? math must not be your strongest subject. in fact, when he competed for IESA they have strict age limit rules. Lukas graduated high school as an 18 year old (turned 18 in january of his senior year, which is typical for seniors)
he left Oregon to pursue the triathlon. there was no "tantrum, ragequit". actually, there was not much coverage of it at all. his passion was always triathlon. with his high school running success he gave oregon a try but it wasn't for him. no reason to make up lies about him.
Actually YOU have no idea. He did quit UO because of a few XC races where he was beyond bad. His only passion is himself.
ric flair woo wrote:
Edward Cheserek moved to New Jersey from Kenya in 2010. He came on to the XC/Track scene immediatly. Winning 2011 and 2012 Footlocker finals as well as 4 track national titles (2 SMR indoor, 1 5k outdoor, 1 2mile indoor), indoor 5k and 2 mile high school records. Won 17 national titles in XC/track including winning the XC title as a freshman, soph, and junior. Some consider him the GOAT.
Lukas Verzbicas was dominant too though and had plenty of accolades. The only guy to win both NXN and FL; won FL twice; sub 4, 2 mile high school record, his epic triple win at indoor nationals.
And the only time he and Ches went head to head, Ches lost. For the indoor national 2 mile. 8:40 to 8:42. Lukas did this 2 days after winning the national title in the 5k. (Lukas was 18 AND listed as a senior, so he was not an age cheat)
Which leaves us to think...just how good was Lukas Verzbicas?
100% sure he was on Meldonium.
Colorado Springer wrote:
Actually YOU have no idea. He did quit UO because of a few XC races where he was beyond bad. His only passion is himself.
overly hyped wrote:
westsouthrunner wrote:
westsouthrunner wrote:
ric flair woo wrote:
Edward Cheserek moved to New Jersey from Kenya in 2010. He came on to the XC/Track scene immediatly. Winning 2011 and 2012 Footlocker finals as well as 4 track national titles (2 SMR indoor, 1 5k outdoor, 1 2mile indoor), indoor 5k and 2 mile high school records. Won 17 national titles in XC/track including winning the XC title as a freshman, soph, and junior. Some consider him the GOAT.
Lukas Verzbicas was dominant too though and had plenty of accolades. The only guy to win both NXN and FL; won FL twice; sub 4, 2 mile high school record, his epic triple win at indoor nationals.
And the only time he and Ches went head to head, Ches lost. For the indoor national 2 mile. 8:40 to 8:42. Lukas did this 2 days after winning the national title in the 5k. (Lukas was 18 AND listed as a senior, so he was not an age cheat)
Which leaves us to think...just how good was Lukas Verzbicas?
I was in hs then and watched all their races. Someone can correct me if i am wrong but I believe Lukas raced Ches in NXN, indoor 2 mile and the dream mile once or twice.
To answer your question I think he is the 2nd or third best us hs runner ever. behind webb. Certainly the most well rounded between track events and XC. if you want to somehow add in his TRI accomplishments then he was amazing.
My personal favorites growing up will always be German Fernandez and Webb
Gerry Lindgren, and Ritz easily are above him as far as greatest US high school runners. Hopefully he can comeback soon. I highly doubt he was doping though.
Lukas Verzbicas was a great, great high school runner. That 8:36 of Jeff Nelson was head and shoulders above everyone for decades until German Fernandez, off of light mileage and limited speed training because of an injury beat it in a high school only race, and ran a double of 4:00/8:34, I think, (metric both) at California state track. So, Fernandez was probably the better talent. He also was among the top ncaa xc runners as a freshman, though falling down with an injury of little even short-term significance was bad, and came back to run 7:47 while sick, plus 3:34 just after college during a brief period of health. All that being said, Lukas was very better trained and was maximizing his talent, winning just about everything, including two footlockers in the era of Cheserek, and running an incredible 8:29 2 mile at Pre, with professionals to pace him, as well as sub 4, while doing plenty of triathlon training at the same time. Lukas had shown signs of a tendency to give up one of the two sports, running or triathlon, on several previous occasions in the face of a loss, and a victory in one would lead to a focus in that one. After he won world junior tri, he saw a real future in the sport, and Vin should not have let him race out of shape after a few weeks of training following world junior tri, given how shaky he'd been about quitting one or the other sport in previous years. Those of us who followed the sport knew this. But Vin goes ahead and lets him race a meaningless 8k and he is toasted in 62nd place and quits the sport. Only this time he wouldn't get a chance to go back to running because of the horrendous bike accident (note that he was riding in the mountains at high speed after being raised in mostly flat Illinois). As for peds, that would certainly not surprise me, given his mother, but he was training like a pro from an early age, like the Ingebrigtsens, so early success should not be too surprising.
westsouthrunner wrote:
overly hyped wrote:
westsouthrunner wrote:
westsouthrunner wrote:
ric flair woo wrote:
Edward Cheserek moved to New Jersey from Kenya in 2010. He came on to the XC/Track scene immediatly. Winning 2011 and 2012 Footlocker finals as well as 4 track national titles (2 SMR indoor, 1 5k outdoor, 1 2mile indoor), indoor 5k and 2 mile high school records. Won 17 national titles in XC/track including winning the XC title as a freshman, soph, and junior. Some consider him the GOAT.
Lukas Verzbicas was dominant too though and had plenty of accolades. The only guy to win both NXN and FL; won FL twice; sub 4, 2 mile high school record, his epic triple win at indoor nationals.
And the only time he and Ches went head to head, Ches lost. For the indoor national 2 mile. 8:40 to 8:42. Lukas did this 2 days after winning the national title in the 5k. (Lukas was 18 AND listed as a senior, so he was not an age cheat)
Which leaves us to think...just how good was Lukas Verzbicas?
I was in hs then and watched all their races. Someone can correct me if i am wrong but I believe Lukas raced Ches in NXN, indoor 2 mile and the dream mile once or twice.
To answer your question I think he is the 2nd or third best us hs runner ever. behind webb. Certainly the most well rounded between track events and XC. if you want to somehow add in his TRI accomplishments then he was amazing.
My personal favorites growing up will always be German Fernandez and Webb
Gerry Lindgren, and Ritz easily are above him as far as greatest US high school runners. Hopefully he can comeback soon. I highly doubt he was doping though.
I'm surprised you didn't say Jim ryun. Which I'd have probably at #2 but not very versatile in range for reasons he can't control.
Gerry and Ritz have slower mile and two mile times. They are in my opinion the fastest xc runners from the us. Ritz was relatively close to bekele in jr world cross right? And bekele is undoubtedly the king of xc.
Side note Lindgren is a pretty cool guy on Facebook
Back in the USSR wrote:
LV's mom ran for the Soviets and was his coach. Once he left her "program" for Oregon, he ran poorly.
Back in the USSR wrote:
LV's mom ran for the Soviets and was his coach. Once he left her "program" for Oregon, he ran poorly.
