Another Kenyan Busted For Doping

I believe Morocco would have been easier. Morocco is literally on the top of Africa next to Spain so they probably put crates of EPO on a banana boat through the straight of Gibraltar. I'm aware that doping in Africa started in Morocco because of it's geography. And to Coevette, Ingebregstein isn't going to surpass Bekele. The Norweigans are literally the dirtiest country in Europe.

No. This totally misunderstands what happens in amateur systems. In amateur systems the money does not disappear. The agents, coaches, and doctors do not disappear. There is still money sloshing around the system, because there are still people willing to pay money to see meets, television stations willing to pay to broadcast them, and sponsors willing to provide funds to advertise their shoes/uniforms, etc. That money just goes less to the athlete and more to the intermediaries. Some of it still gets to the athlete, but it has to be passed under the table with much more being siphoned off by the intermediaries. It just ends up exploiting the athletes. Not sure if you are from the US or not, but look at college sports in the U.S. There are still agents, runners, intermediaries and a whole host of hangers-on taking portions of the money. A huge portion of the money goes to coaches and administrators. Athletes are still able to claim a portion of these funds but have to sneak around to get it at the risk of being banned from the association. Athletes still have incentives to dope. This is not a fairer system and does not reduce or eliminate doping.

amateur again? wrote:

In this light, is not the best solution to make the sport strictly amateur again? In doing this, most of the corrupt agents, and coaches, and doctors who are encouraging people to dope for their own financial gain will pretty much disappear from the sport immediately. Then the aim of the sport can really be about what you say - for athletes to do their best and to use the discipline they gained from the sport to change their lives. It also seems like a huge amount of money is being wasted on a drugs testing system that is not very effective because too many people are doping - if you remove the main motivation to dope then you will have made a much bigger stride in the fight against doping compared to what is being done at present.

rekrunner wrote:

Really?

If PEDs make you faster, and many runners use PEDs, this raises the obvious question -- why, in the EPO-era, are there so few, by so little, non-Africans among the all time top?

Yes, really.

That is not an obvious question. It is a dumb one that has been answered here many times:

Because PEDs make you faster, instead of making you equal. Try it.

This is in line with the many studies. It is also in line with the definition of PED = performance enhancing drug, not: performance equalizing drug.

Try to understand that.

Next, look at the different cultures, body types, popularity of running, weather, altitude, (lack of) fast food and cars, etc. etc.. Then have a look at IAAF's likely doping list from 2016, where you find a lot more Africans than Americans.

I could go on, but you will continue to ignore the facts, and continue trolling.

On the WADA prohibited associations list, where it looks like coaches and agents, there are 165 cases, 66 of them being Italians. So, it sounds like there are plenty of Italians with 'Reasons' to promote doping, Renato.

Among the others, there are few Americans, Canadians, and Aussies, but very few other Westerners, other than Spaniards.

https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/resources/files/asp_list_10.11.2018.pdf

On this list, going back a long way, there are 96 Americans, 15 Italians, 24 Canadians, 3 Brits--must be a very incomplete list,

20 Spaniards, 38 Kenyans. There are athletes from all over the world testing positive, including many Americans. The concentration of Kenyans is awfully high for a group barely subject to out of competition testing. If the others beyond the top 30 aren't getting OOC testing, that is Kenya's federation's fault. They shouldn't be allowed to compete outside the country if not subject to OOC testing.

I counted 34 Americans banned from a WADA list, which I can't find now.

https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/resources/files/asp_list_10.11.2018.pdf

This is the second list.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_athletics

This year, there are at least 180 Americans in the top 30 of their events, just counting track and field. Numerous events were cut off short of 30, so there may have been over 200.

https://www.iaaf.org/records/all-time-toplists/combined-events/decathlon/outdoor/men/senior?regionType=world&windReading=regular&page=1&bestResultsOnly=true&firstDay=2018-01-01&lastDay=2018-12-13

....... also because the biggest number of doped (runners or bikers) is among the amateurs ! And this because the continue overevaluation of the effects of doping on the performances, instead to be a brake to dope, is an incentive for all those people who well know NEVER can be tested, looking at their low level.

aduck2022 wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/26/sports/doping-thomas-mann-peptides.amp.html

This is where doping is at .

Peptides , primarily

the speed peptide igf-1 lr3 .

Well the speed etc component .

And search the internet high and low and this article is only clue get ,

how well it is controlled and kept quiet for over ten years now .

Just think with this sort of culture what obviously getting up to in Kenya , Ethiopia .

A game and Rosa walks away , all part of optics as is certain coach

who at this stage no point even reacting too , can see thru him clear as day .

Oh mention just like IAAF are pushing on younger athletes this education on doping rubbish .

When quite clear what is going on

A sure sign of psychopath , this contradictory nonsense can't tell a straight story , lies galore .

eventually hope most see thru it.

Renato Canova wrote:

....... also because the biggest number of doped (runners or bikers) is among the amateurs ! And this because the continue overevaluation of the effects of doping on the performances, instead to be a brake to dope, is an incentive for all those people who well know NEVER can be tested, looking at their low level.

Better get that car to a mechanic so he can test the brakes.

Banana Bread wrote:

Renato Canova wrote:

....... also because the biggest number of doped (runners or bikers) is among the amateurs ! And this because the continue overevaluation of the effects of doping on the performances, instead to be a brake to dope, is an incentive for all those people who well know NEVER can be tested, looking at their low level.

Better get that car to a mechanic so he can test the brakes.

How many languages do you speak fluently?

What has that got to do with anything? English is my main language. I also am half fluent in Spanish and know bits of other languages like Russian, French and German. I am trying to learn how to talk bits and pieces from as many languages as possible by learning phrases. I know Renato is Italian. What languages do you know?

Renato Canova wrote:

....... also because the biggest number of doped (runners or bikers) is among the amateurs ! And this because the continue overevaluation of the effects of doping on the performances, instead to be a brake to dope, is an incentive for all those people who well know NEVER can be tested, looking at their low level.

how exactly would you know renato? so many times you claim you know nothing of doping yet other times like this you are the supreme authority on it.

sorry but we all know that rek is the supreme authority on PEDs not you, and el K knows more about kenyans than you do cause he is kenyan

did anyone else notice this for the angel article? this is what he says about people using/abusing inhalers

‘I call it the “transporter”,’ he says. ‘It opens and expands not only your lung capacity but also your pulmonary capability, so it has improved capacity to move the blood cells…

‘In other words, if you were using EPO, or if you were using another substance like EPO, it would help you to boost endurance even more. It is like multiplying the effects by between three and five times.’

more.....

Hernández stresses that he is a world expert in human fitness and conditioning, now walking on the right side of the law. He expresses frustration that his past still clings to him, and that if a boxer he is training wins a fight, aspersions are immediately cast.

‘I’m being judged every time my athletes get a good performance, because of science and training. But the problem is not me. The problem is the system itself. It allows the athletes to have the tools and the abilities to cheat.’

so you have renato, rosa and angel all claiming to be experts, but its only the first two that claim they are the NUMBER ONE BEST in the world lolz....and at least angel is honest where as rosa and renato blame the runner, angel is blaming the entire system....which still makes me ask...el K, why is it that you are so racist against whites, yet you love and worship renato and rosa, when they turn around and throw your brothers under the bus....remember el k? where was rosa when kiprop was busted? lolz

of course the likes of rek and jonO will say he is a lair and fraud like conte....which is so f*cking amazing these trolls say that.

rek claims he has "something science" degree, well tippy angel has you beat by leaps and bounds

Following in his father's background as a chemistry professor, Heredia earned a science degree which led him to deeply explore the chemical functions of various drugs and devise methods which both reduced the chances of detection in drug tests and made efficient use of their athletically enhancing effects.[5]

did you read that? just like contes buddy who invented the "clear" this guy was creating "cocktails" now if science doesnt work then why claim you have "something science" degree? this is the best part for all you nimwits who listen and follow the apologists

"As an athletics coach and chemist he was largely known as Ángel Heredia and gained the nickname "Memo". He worked with a number of prominent track and field coaches including Trevor Graham, Winthrop Graham, John Smith and Ray Stewart. He created a number of doping substances and methods, with a combination of testosterone, growth hormone and EPO being his most successful"

there is that cocktail again, the "clear", IGF-1lr3 and rhEPO....but but but it doesnt work

ok rek sure you know more than this guy and he has a DEGREE IN CHEMISTRY, and the coaches he worked with had the TOP sprinters in the world. every hear of marion jones? tim montgomery? maurice greene? and if i remember correctly i think jerome young, alvin and calvin harrison and antoine pettigrew all got their coctails from angel as well.

lolz lolz lolz, EPO doesnt work, then its EPO doesnt work on the top runners....and now for the next evolution in the excuses

its amateurs using EPO, and the problem is there are so many amateurs in kenya, and they arnt in the testing pool and we cant baby sit them every day cause they are amateurs, and there are just too many of them, we have no control over who comes to the camps cause there are just too many of them, its not me or rosa, we are angels here in kenya there are just too many amateurs....and they are faster than whites so thats why they would dope cause there are just too many of them....lolz

lolz i would imagine this came up but i dont ever remember hearing about it, makes PERFECT sense though

https://deadspin.com/5857439/what-do-usain-bolt-and-juan-manuel-marquez-have-in-common-they-train-with-the-same-admitted-steroids-dealer

this sport is such a f*cking joke, the NUMBER one guy is the doping game, gets busted, gives up names etc, a few top athletes go down, then comes back under a new name and trains bolt and no one seems to care. my guess is angel and that healing hands guy know a bit more than the rest of the reks, renatos, jonOs of the world.

while some are crying over L-carnatine injections, rosa is doping his stable hard, angel trained bolt and renato claims the newest excuse.

i bet if we take the money away the sport cleans up real fast. kinda hard to coach kenyans when your not going to get paid and they cant win money to start a potato farm, then it will come back to the old school amateur days where it was the entitled rich white kids who dominated the sport, coevett would be PUMPED lolz

Renato Canova wrote:

....... also because the biggest number of doped (runners or bikers) is among the amateurs !

Do you have an independent source for this? I would be extremely surprised to find that the rate of doping is higher among amateur runners and bikers than it is among the professional ranks.

They'll never go amateur again. Amateurism just benefits communistic/socialist countries who provide their elite athletes with everything for free.

Usain Bolt doesn't take drugs, the mass media tells me he is the savior of the world.

Subway Surfers wrote:

They'll never go amateur again. Amateurism just benefits communistic/socialist countries who provide their elite athletes with everything for free.

Sure, but it eliminates doping...

but but but if its free where is the incentive to cheat? lolz

i cant find that other thread that el K started, where he was b*tching about langford being racist...

hey el K....when your WHITE hero, renato first made lies and excuses he claimed kenyans were too poor, too simple to dope, they dont know how to use a cell phone and dont take asprin....but when langford says this is why kenyans dope you get mad and call him racist lolz. so again please explain why you HOLD RENATO up to such high esteem and his excuse to other whites is kenyans are to incompetent and simple lolz.

it really baffles me el K, your hatred for whites is so brutal, and yet the man who claims he is fully responsible for kenyas greatness is WHITE, and you love him! some how i think deep down you wish it was a black man that was responsible, and you do truly hate renato.