new study shows micro-doping can boost performance nearly 5% and impossible to detect

dopeology wrote:

Nice contradiction wrote:

Non-equilibrium and homeostasis are the same thing. Yeah, OK.

No. Homeostasis allows heat accumulation for a limited time. That's why you get hotter in a race, but you still have to pace yourself withing your thermoregulatory limit.

That's why you have to slow down on a hot day.

Think it through instead of arguing.

When you go faster you're hot for less time. Try to think.

The body also adapts to heat and well within the increased potential dope gives.

Damn. Jon gets schooled on physiology by Sand Dunes. That's a crusher.

About like being blocked by Peter Dinklage in a game of one on one.

Records are set in cool temps wrote:

dopeology wrote:

No. Homeostasis allows heat accumulation for a limited time. That's why you get hotter in a race, but you still have to pace yourself withing your thermoregulatory limit.

That's why you have to slow down on a hot day.

Think it through instead of arguing.

When you go faster you're hot for less time. Try to think.

The body also adapts to heat and well within the increased potential dope gives.

Irrelevant to my point. A race of one hour where every runner runs for the same time shows exactly why you need to think this through. And if you run 15 minutes or 13 minutes your oxygen uptake is only a tiny bit higher in the shorter time.

Sand Dunes wrote:

Increase of oxygen allows the muscles the muscles to work at a higher capacity. How hard is the to comprehend?

You're missing the point, yet again. We have a thermoregulatory limit to our calorimetry in any race. So the idea that more red blood cells than normal makes you deliver more oxygen is just plain bad science.

Back to my original question, Where is the extra energy coming from? You still haven't answered the question.

dopeology wrote:

And if you run 15 minutes or 13 minutes your oxygen uptake is only a tiny bit higher in the shorter time.

Um, that's why your whole homeostasis and thermoregulation is bunk.

Do you not see your contradiction?

dopeology wrote:

Sand Dunes wrote:

Increase of oxygen allows the muscles the muscles to work at a higher capacity. How hard is the to comprehend?

You're missing the point, yet again. We have a thermoregulatory limit to our calorimetry in any race. So the idea that more red blood cells than normal makes you deliver more oxygen is just plain bad science.

Back to my original question, Where is the extra energy coming from? You still haven't answered the question.

The extra energy comes from flaming through the fuel faster. That's been explained a million times for you.

It doesn't need to be "extra". It's just what is already there, faster.

COAB how hard is this? wrote:

dopeology wrote:

You're missing the point, yet again. We have a thermoregulatory limit to our calorimetry in any race. So the idea that more red blood cells than normal makes you deliver more oxygen is just plain bad science.

Back to my original question, Where is the extra energy coming from? You still haven't answered the question.

The extra energy comes from flaming through the fuel faster. That's been explained a million times for you.

It doesn't need to be "extra". It's just what is already there, faster.

flaming? are we talking about someones grinder account?

m!ndweak wrote:

COAB how hard is this? wrote:

The extra energy comes from flaming through the fuel faster. That's been explained a million times for you.

It doesn't need to be "extra". It's just what is already there, faster.

flaming? are we talking about someones grinder account?

Do you want to?

Is this Jon/dopeology guy for real? If so I’d love to see his face about 4-6 weeks into doing 50iu/kg of EPO every other day. Or would he simply claim that he suddenly got way more “efficient” at the age of 56.

All you guys arguing about stuff you have no experience with is really interesting.

Article Please? wrote:

Is this Jon/dopeology guy for real? If so I’d love to see his face about 4-6 weeks into doing 50iu/kg of EPO every other day. Or would he simply claim that he suddenly got way more “efficient” at the age of 56.

All you guys arguing about stuff you have no experience with is really interesting.

Are you new on here.? Jon has been posting this nonsense for 15 years at least under various names. He no longer posts under his own name, hoping people will think some new maverick genius has arrived.

He's always ranting anonymously against real physiologists on here but hasn't developed he testicular fortitude to actually get an education in physiology himself. Yet somehow he knows more than them and can refute all of their studies with his reductionist argument.

I have come to the conclusion that dopeology is an idiot and not worth reading his posts. He might actually be mentally challenged.

That said, I do enjoy reading the back and forth between casual and article please, I think I actually may have learned something new!

talk about it wrote:

m!ndweak wrote:

flaming? are we talking about someones grinder account?

Do you want to?

it might be more interesting than jonO's moronic bullsh*t.....he reminds me of that guy in the gym screaming loud as hell that he knows how to bench correctly. headband, wrist bands, gut with fanny pack, 1970s baskteball goggles, converse all stars, knee high tube socks with the two yellow stripes and old daisy duke shorts on.

"thermodynammmiacs!!! i tell you, i can coach anyone to a new bench max, its all about the thermodynammmmiacs!!!"

then the manger asks him to leave and dude flips out

so yeah maybe i do want to hear about jamins grinder account

stfu JS wrote:

I have come to the conclusion that dopeology is an idiot and not worth reading his posts. He might actually be mentally challenged.

That said, I do enjoy reading the back and forth between casual and article please, I think I actually may have learned something new!

Yeah...right, arguing back & forth about how many calories are burned from cycling. So sad...who the F cares - just get on your bike or spinner or whatever and ride, ride & ride.

m!ndweak wrote:

talk about it wrote:

Do you want to?

it might be more interesting than jonO's moronic bullsh*t.....he reminds me of that guy in the gym screaming loud as hell that he knows how to bench correctly. headband, wrist bands, gut with fanny pack, 1970s baskteball goggles, converse all stars, knee high tube socks with the two yellow stripes and old daisy duke shorts on.

"thermodynammmiacs!!! i tell you, i can coach anyone to a new bench max, its all about the thermodynammmmiacs!!!"

then the manger asks him to leave and dude flips out

so yeah maybe i do want to hear about jamins grinder account

You're too damn funny Chad! ???

Barrel of Laughs wrote:

m!ndweak wrote:

it might be more interesting than jonO's moronic bullsh*t.....he reminds me of that guy in the gym screaming loud as hell that he knows how to bench correctly. headband, wrist bands, gut with fanny pack, 1970s baskteball goggles, converse all stars, knee high tube socks with the two yellow stripes and old daisy duke shorts on.

"thermodynammmiacs!!! i tell you, i can coach anyone to a new bench max, its all about the thermodynammmmiacs!!!"

then the manger asks him to leave and dude flips out

so yeah maybe i do want to hear about jamins grinder account

You're too damn funny Chad! ???

+1 way too funny

Placeebo Mandingo wrote:

Article Please? wrote:

Is this Jon/dopeology guy for real? If so I’d love to see his face about 4-6 weeks into doing 50iu/kg of EPO every other day. Or would he simply claim that he suddenly got way more “efficient” at the age of 56.

All you guys arguing about stuff you have no experience with is really interesting.

Are you new on here.? Jon has been posting this nonsense for 15 years at least under various names. He no longer posts under his own name, hoping people will think some new maverick genius has arrived.

He's always ranting anonymously against real physiologists on here but hasn't developed he testicular fortitude to actually get an education in physiology himself. Yet somehow he knows more than them and can refute all of their studies with his reductionist argument.

So when I saw a letter to a cycling magazine from a senior lecturer in exercise physiology at a major universtiy accusing other researchers of writing pseudoscience about non-efficacy of EPO as a performance enhancer....

Well I just had to write to him and point out a few things. His reply showed me that indeed, he also had no clue about homeostasis and thermoregulation or even about elastic energy return.

And this Senior lecturer at a major university has published papers on, guess what? Oxygen kinetics.

So you people wonder what to do about the doping problem, but don't see how being ignorant of basic physiology has anything to do with it?

m!ndweak wrote:

talk about it wrote:

Do you want to?

it might be more interesting than jonO's moronic bullsh*t.....he reminds me of that guy in the gym screaming loud as hell that he knows how to bench correctly. headband, wrist bands, gut with fanny pack, 1970s baskteball goggles, converse all stars, knee high tube socks with the two yellow stripes and old daisy duke shorts on.

"thermodynammmiacs!!! i tell you, i can coach anyone to a new bench max, its all about the thermodynammmmiacs!!!"

then the manger asks him to leave and dude flips out

so yeah maybe i do want to hear about jamins grinder account

When were at the gym at the same time? Recently? And you didn't come say hi?

OLD SMTC SOB wrote:

.....he reminds me of that guy in the gym screaming loud as hell that he knows how to bench correctly. headband, wrist bands, gut with fanny pack, 1970s baskteball goggles, converse all stars, knee high tube socks with the two yellow stripes and old daisy duke shorts on.

"thermodynammmiacs!!! i tell you, i can coach anyone to a new bench max, its all about the thermodynammmmiacs!!!"

then the manger asks him to leave and dude flips out

so yeah maybe i do want to hear about jamins grinder account

When were at the gym at the same time? Recently? And you didn't come say hi?[/quote]

Cool look bro

No Jon. Those guys know how things work. You don't.

Education. It matters.