new study shows micro-doping can boost performance nearly 5% and impossible to detect

m!ndweak wrote:

argument clinic wrote:

He's always been a troll.

lolz you can always guarantee gary will troll hard as hell when he sees a thread about doping, his wife, or keyans vs whitey. i remember back when he hassled me so hard about ~4% gains, and yet 3-5% keeps showing up, hell he even mocked me and told me to man up and admit who i was lolz. got to say his trolling level is up there for sure, maybe even one of the all time greats!

imagine what he could do if there was some PED that could enhance trolling?!!? the guy would be UNSTOPPABLE!!

Technically there literally is drugs to enhance trolling. Literally any drug. I suspect lots of people here are on shrooms when they post crap here.

Banana Bread wrote:

m!ndweak wrote:

lolz you can always guarantee gary will troll hard as hell when he sees a thread about doping, his wife, or keyans vs whitey. i remember back when he hassled me so hard about ~4% gains, and yet 3-5% keeps showing up, hell he even mocked me and told me to man up and admit who i was lolz. got to say his trolling level is up there for sure, maybe even one of the all time greats!

imagine what he could do if there was some PED that could enhance trolling?!!? the guy would be UNSTOPPABLE!!

Technically there literally is drugs to enhance trolling. Literally any drug. I suspect lots of people here are on shrooms when they post crap here.

but do shrooms give posters 4% gain in their trolling??!?!?! or can it be proven that holding your breath at altitude can give the same head rush and dizziness!?!? what about being dehydrated? can that do the same as shrooms? i would say not enough sleep is on the same level and macro dosing L-carnatine as far as troll doping is concerned!

rekrunner wrote:

Aversion? I don't mind being confronted with facts.

Tim's a rugby players Gary, even roid rage won't help there.

m!ndweak wrote:

argument clinic wrote:

He's always been a troll.

lolz you can always guarantee gary will troll hard as hell when he sees a thread about doping, his wife, or keyans vs whitey. i remember back when he hassled me so hard about ~4% gains, and yet 3-5% keeps showing up, hell he even mocked me and told me to man up and admit who i was lolz. got to say his trolling level is up there for sure, maybe even one of the all time greats!

imagine what he could do if there was some PED that could enhance trolling?!!? the guy would be UNSTOPPABLE!!

Does Gary have some kind of an notification system on his computer than when an EPO/blood doping thread is initiated he comes alive? For the the last week or two, no doping threads - and no rekrunner posting. Then this thread is started and boom - here comes rekrunner with vengeance! The life of rekrunner. Lol.

Perhaps, he is a doping denying bot?

Didn't he once say that he is in IT? He probably has a script running every 30 minutes that notifies him if anyone mentions EPO , PED , Paula, Radcliffe or doping.

I compared them to the non-sizzling times of the '80s.

Here We Go Again wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

You shouldn't be so sure -- my wife is not British, and never ran a marathon.

I never say "dope doesn't work", but I did wonder why EPO didn't work more for more non-Africans, in the EPO-era.

Been over this a zillion times in many of these doping threads: It does work for the many positive test cases - just not up to the standards you set comparing everyone to the sizzling times set by the East Africans in the 90s & 00s. Individual improvement is what you always discount. There's plenty of data from individual positive test & ABP hematological anomalies cases to look at for individual improvement.

Sand Dunes wrote:

Bill Rodgers 2:09 on rocket fuel would be a 2:03:50 runner and probably be capable of a sub 2 hour marathon on those 4% shoes.

Rodgers ran 2:09 without Altitude and some irregular Periodization Training couple this with the fact that he came to Marathoning with years of Tobacco Smoking.

Sub 2:03 at least, with the current African ability

Two fun facts: - I don't have a problem with your 4% or 3-5%. But the times you pick could be both clean, or both dirty. - I never asked you to admit who you were. This was another misinterpretation on your part.

m!ndweak wrote:

i remember back when he hassled me so hard about ~4% gains, and yet 3-5% keeps showing up, hell he even mocked me and told me to man up and admit who i was lolz. got to say his trolling level is up there for sure, maybe even one of the all time greats!

imagine what he could do if there was some PED that could enhance trolling?!!? the guy would be UNSTOPPABLE!!

There was more than just l-carnitine in those infusions, I chatted with the guy who came up with the idea and he said carbs & ketones.

And yet, I am sure you remember the study on (almost by your standards) elite Kenyan runners, who improved in a time trial by 5% after moderate EPO dosages for a few weeks, which would not have have triggered the ABP either, thanks to its ludicrously high thresholds.

Of course they would have to watch out during their glowing times, e.g. by installing a quiet doorbell just in case.

There the blood transfusions are easier. As I pointed out here repeatedly, one can safely use 200 ml bags, and no alarms will ever go off. Simple math, and the athletes know it.

What' funny though is that half a regular blood bag is now called a microdose. Cute.

Showing that EPO is not much better than blood transfusions.

This is old news for everyone but rek-Gary. Just another study saying what is already common knowledge.

2:01 + (4% +5%) = 2:12

Man those Kenyans Suuuuuckkk

Factoid wrote:

Sand Dunes wrote:

Bill Rodgers 2:09 on rocket fuel would be a 2:03:50 runner and probably be capable of a sub 2 hour marathon on those 4% shoes.

Rodgers ran 2:09 without Altitude and some irregular Periodization Training couple this with the fact that he came to Marathoning with years of Tobacco Smoking.

Sub 2:03 at least, with the current African ability

That's a very impressive clean time from Boston Billy. But just think; he'd get smashed in today's competition by those doped-up Kenyans! Lol.

casual obsever wrote:

And yet, I am sure you remember the study on (almost by your standards) elite Kenyan runners, who improved in a time trial by 5% after moderate EPO dosages for a few weeks, which would not have have triggered the ABP either, thanks to its ludicrously high thresholds.

Of course they would have to watch out during their glowing times, e.g. by installing a quiet doorbell just in case.

There the blood transfusions are easier. As I pointed out here repeatedly, one can safely use 200 ml bags, and no alarms will ever go off. Simple math, and the athletes know it.

What' funny though is that half a regular blood bag is now called a microdose. Cute.

Spot on! ? When rekrunner gets rolling with his pretentious trolling it's good to have someone like you chime in and settled him down.

I have not seen the actual study posted here. When clicking on the link it seemed to indicate power was improved by about 5%, which would net about a 3% increase in running speeds and about 2% increase in speed on the bike over flat ground.

Article Please? wrote:

I have not seen the actual study posted here. When clicking on the link it seemed to indicate power was improved by about 5%, which would net about a 3% increase in running speeds and about 2% increase in speed on the bike over flat ground.

Does anyone have the link to the original study? Rekrunner? (you're usually on top of these studies?). This study is being discussed over at "Cyclingnews' The Clinic," but no one has posted any links to study there either:

Come on dude they're all doping man. There's been no revolutionary change in the way athletes train and they're utterly destroying what great athletes of the past have achieved. And Kipchoge stands up there and says you can do it if you just put your mind to it and believe. This is completely bullshit.