new study shows micro-doping can boost performance nearly 5% and impossible to detect

The interaction of psychological and physiological HOMEOSTATIC drives and role of general control principles in the regulation of physiological systems, exercise and the fatigue process – THE INTEGRATIVE GOVERNOR THEORY

https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/39/1/52

You're still flailing around here, Jon.

small is relative, isn't it.

casual obsever wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

-- even your 5-decade progression of small gains.

a) A progression from an averaged 13:22.5 to 12:56.3 is not a small gain.

b) As proven before, athletes doped in the 60s too.

Jon and Rek have heard this one too many times.

https://youtu.be/ToQ0n3itoII

rekrunner wrote:

small is relative, isn't it.

casual obsever wrote:

a) A progression from an averaged 13:22.5 to 12:56.3 is not a small gain.

b) As proven before, athletes doped in the 60s too.

You're one of those people who mumble an insult under your breath as you walk away from an argument, amirite?

Time. What if?

Dopeology wrote:

What exactly are you defining as "at the top?" (time wise? Olympic & WC caliber level?). What if an athlete who wasn't "at the top" transitions to the top through the use of PEDs? (e.g., Rocket Fuel Ramzi).

You are not right.

last word is meaningless wrote:

You're one of those people who mumble an insult under your breath as you walk away from an argument, amirite?

Why go micro when you can go macro and really reap the benefits?!?!? I say if you are going down the path of the doper then go all in. Dope it up to the gills my man, that's where it's at!!!

look at those numbers wrote:

223 watts for a short time trial is equivalent to about 8 minute mile pace for running. Hobby jogger pace.

Interesting, so how do we even define "well-trained"?

Were they DII college athletes who are caucasian at sea level?

facts and reason wrote:

look at those numbers wrote:

223 watts for a short time trial is equivalent to about 8 minute mile pace for running. Hobby jogger pace.

Interesting, so how do we even define "well-trained"?

Were they DII college athletes who are caucasian at sea level?

well its simple really

what is "well trained"

1 - only east africans can be "well trained", and thus must have gotten their training from renato

2- must be known by el K, and im not talking biblical "known", i dont think el K gets laid, i think he is the kenyan version of jamin

3 - rek must do a "closer look" at your performances, if they are faster than pre-EPOdoesnt work 1990s...

then and only then can you be "well trained"

you can run 59:04 half and not be "well trained" how?

1- renato didnt train you

2 - el K doesnt know you

3 - a "closer look" and your good to go but you failed the first 2, so your not well trained sub elite

m!ndweak wrote:

facts and reason wrote:

Interesting, so how do we even define "well-trained"?

Were they DII college athletes who are caucasian at sea level?

well its simple really

what is "well trained"

1 - only east africans can be "well trained", and thus must have gotten their training from renato

2- must be known by el K, and im not talking biblical "known", i dont think el K gets laid, i think he is the kenyan version of jamin

3 - rek must do a "closer look" at your performances, if they are faster than pre-EPOdoesnt work 1990s...

then and only then can you be "well trained"

you can run 59:04 half and not be "well trained" how?

1- renato didnt train you

2 - el K doesnt know you

3 - a "closer look" and your good to go but you failed the first 2, so your not well trained sub elite

You're a riot Chad! You must be center stage at a cocktail party.

All of that, yes, but most importantly: you mustn't improve after doping, see e.g. Jeptoo.

rekrunner wrote:

You are not right.

last word is meaningless wrote:

You're one of those people who mumble an insult under your breath as you walk away from an argument, amirite?

That's what I'm talking about.

facts and reason wrote:

look at those numbers wrote:

223 watts for a short time trial is equivalent to about 8 minute mile pace for running. Hobby jogger pace.

Interesting, so how do we even define "well-trained"?

Were they DII college athletes who are caucasian at sea level?

Do they change race at altitude?

On My Way To An All-Nighter wrote:

m!ndweak wrote:

well its simple really

what is "well trained"

1 - only east africans can be "well trained", and thus must have gotten their training from renato

2- must be known by el K, and im not talking biblical "known", i dont think el K gets laid, i think he is the kenyan version of jamin

3 - rek must do a "closer look" at your performances, if they are faster than pre-EPOdoesnt work 1990s...

then and only then can you be "well trained"

you can run 59:04 half and not be "well trained" how?

1- renato didnt train you

2 - el K doesnt know you

3 - a "closer look" and your good to go but you failed the first 2, so your not well trained sub elite

You're a riot Chad! You must be center stage at a cocktail party.

Only if jamin and jonO aren’t there, they seem to get all the attention, then I’m in the corner playing chess with vent....and boy does he get drunk

rekrunner wrote:

Time. What if?

And what exactly are your time benchmarks for your definition of "at the top?" (If you don't want go through the whole spectrum give an example of the 15, 5 and perhaps the marathon).

What time is it? wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

Time. What if?

And what exactly are your time benchmarks for your definition of "at the top?" (If you don't want go through the whole spectrum give an example of the 15, 5 and perhaps the marathon).

Oh no!!! Lol you opened Pandora’s box now! Dum duh dum dum dum what we have all been waiting for! reks pride and joy! “A closer look at arrogance and fallacy”

When was the 3rd 650kcal time trial performed? The abstract doesn’t mention it and I don’t have access to the full article.

Here is the abstract, with no mention of a 3rd 650kcal time trial.

"PURPOSE

This study tested the hypothesis that autologous blood transfusion (ABT) of ~50% of the red blood cells (RBCs) from a standard 450 ml phlebotomy would increase mean power in a cycling time trial. Additionally, the study investigated whether further ABT of RBCs obtained from another 450 ml phlebotomy would increase repeated cycling sprint ability.

METHODS

In a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled crossover design (3-month wash-out), nine highly trained male subjects donated two 450 ml blood bags each (BT-trial) or were sham phlebotomized (PLA-trial). Four weeks later, a 650 kcal time trial (n=7) was performed three days before and 2 h after receiving either ~50% (135 ml) of the RBCs or a sham transfusion. On the following day, transfusion of RBCs (235 ml) from the second donation or sham transfusion was completed. A 4×30 s all-out cycling sprint interspersed by 4 min of recovery was performed six days before and three days after the second ABT (n=9).

RESULTS

The mean power was increased in time trials from before to after transfusion (P