NXN results - how each regional would have scored as a team

Southeast runners had to choose between NXN and Footlocker, which means that most of the stronger individual runners likely went to Footlocker South. That isn't the case with the other Regions, where strong individuals had a real choice between races. It took a 188 speed rating (from Meylan) to qualify out of Footlocker South. None of the individual NXN qualifiers out of the Southeast Region would have qualified out of Footlocker South had they run the same race, since they ran 186-187. Interestingly, both FLS and NXNSE went out much slower through 2m than often happens. FLS finished really fast.

Footlockerer wrote:

Southeast runners had to choose between NXN and Footlocker, which means that most of the stronger individual runners likely went to Footlocker South. That isn't the case with the other Regions, where strong individuals had a real choice between races. It took a 188 speed rating (from Meylan) to qualify out of Footlocker South. None of the individual NXN qualifiers out of the Southeast Region would have qualified out of Footlocker South had they run the same race, since they ran 186-187. Interestingly, both FLS and NXNSE went out much slower through 2m than often happens. FLS finished really fast.

Great points that you bring up. It's a real bummer that runners have 2 national meets and therefore 2 qualifiers. I wish it was 1 national meet so there are no conflicts. We would have then seen Tuohy vs Lane last year. And a lot of other great matchups over the years that never truly happened because of runners choosing 1 over the other.

Not sure what you're trying to prove by only looking at scores of individual qualifiers. What does it matter whether someone went to NXN as an individual or part of a team? If you really wanted to score each region as a team, you'd just take the top five finishers from the region. You even confuse the matter yourself by saying NY had a 1-2 punch even though you didn't include 2 in your scoring because she was from a team.

I'm not going to do that for every boy/girl region, but on the girls side New York would win easily (36 = 1-2-5-6-22). Midwest would be next (58 = 3-7-8-16-24).

New York, individually, had a 1-2 punch with Tuohy and Brooke Rauber getting 1st and 6th. But sure, it's not important. I just thought it was interesting to look at.

Get rid of the individuals at NXN and then you won't have the argument. Footlocker for individuals and NXN for teams.

Off topic but- It was a fast race this year. I know the kid who came in 22nd, he said he would have been 7th last year. I didn't look to confirm that, but if it's true then this was an awesome race.

I know the leaders went out in 4:44. I few years ago I coached a kid who went out in 4:43 and was about 30th at the mile.

It must have been a crazy last 1.5.

runn wrote:

Off topic but- It was a fast race this year. I know the kid who came in 22nd, he said he would have been 7th last year. I didn't look to confirm that, but if it's true then this was an awesome race.

I know the leaders went out in 4:44. I few years ago I coached a kid who went out in 4:43 and was about 30th at the mile.

It must have been a crazy last 1.5.

course was in great conditions this year compared to previous years

Footlockerer wrote:

Southeast runners had to choose between NXN and Footlocker, which means that most of the stronger individual runners likely went to Footlocker South. That isn't the case with the other Regions, where strong individuals had a real choice between races. It took a 188 speed rating (from Meylan) to qualify out of Footlocker South. None of the individual NXN qualifiers out of the Southeast Region would have qualified out of Footlocker South had they run the same race, since they ran 186-187. Interestingly, both FLS and NXNSE went out much slower through 2m than often happens. FLS finished really fast.

The Northeast runners also had to choose one or the other as both FL and NXR were run on the same day at different venues.

Fair enough. Would you say that Northeast individuals are trending away from Footlocker and toward NXN?

Footlockerer wrote:

Fair enough. Would you say that Northeast individuals are trending away from Footlocker and toward NXN?

Yes, the better programs seem to be sending their kids and teams to NXR more often than not.

Here's the full team scoring for each regional:

Boys

41 Southwest 3-5-6-10-17

59 Midwest 2-9-13-15-20

92 California 1-4-8-37-42

119 Northwest 11-16-18-33-41

152 Southeast 14-30-31-38-39

154 New York 22-24-25-32-51

171 Heartland 21-23-34-44-49

180 South 7-26-27-55-65

182 Northeast 12-19-45-46-60

Girls

36 New York 1-2-5-6-22

58 Midwest 3-7-8-16-24

73 Northwest 9-11-13-19-21

133 Southwest 10-20-31-35-37

158 South 17-25-26-41-49

175 Northeast 12-33-40-44-46

177 California 18-29-34-43-53

207 Heartland 4-14-48-66-75

227 Southeast 15-23-36-68-85

very cool, thank you for looking this up. the state of New York beating all other regions by themself haha I guess its good they have their own region

I think this was posted elsewhere, and I may be wrong, but I think the boys Southwest score comes from five Colorado runners.

Jay Johnson wrote:

I think this was posted elsewhere, and I may be wrong, but I think the boys Southwest score comes from five Colorado runners.

Yes, all five Southwest scorers are from Colorado. Very impressive! As are the NY girls.

Interesting but can we see it with all qualifiers (team and individual)? I am guessing some states (such as California) would have very few individual qualifiers for various reasons.

wtfbbq wrote:

Interesting but can we see it with all qualifiers (team and individual)? I am guessing some states (such as California) would have very few individual qualifiers for various reasons.

That's exactly what I posted several posts above.

Update wrote:

Not sure what you're trying to prove by only looking at scores of individual qualifiers. What does it matter whether someone went to NXN as an individual or part of a team? If you really wanted to score each region as a team, you'd just take the top five finishers from the region. You even confuse the matter yourself by saying NY had a 1-2 punch even though you didn't include 2 in your scoring because she was from a team.

I'm not going to do that for every boy/girl region, but on the girls side New York would win easily (36 = 1-2-5-6-22). Midwest would be next (58 = 3-7-8-16-24).

Agree. Those scores were already posted on the NXN Discussion thread anyways, no need to bother redoing the work. (Southwest boys also beat the Midwest boys).

NXN Stinks wrote:

Get rid of the individuals at NXN and then you won't have the argument. Footlocker for individuals and NXN for teams.

That would be against the typical corporate philosophy of trying to take over everything and put everyone else out of business.

All other regions on the girls side, sure. The boys weren’t far off from being last.

Midwest takes the combined boys/girls score easily.