sixty women just OTQ at CIM 2018 ?

TheirPoint wrote:

Real question though... what if a 2:37 male marathoner suddenly identified as a woman? Would they get to run as a female at the OTs and receive financial support?

chill out and don't be phobic, that's not how any of that works, there will never be a transgendered OTQ, it's physically impossible because they have less testosterone than someone postmenopausal

you are thinking of the high school nonsense where they don't have to have any changes yet, that's not how it works at the national level so it doesn't cost you anything to be respectful

chill out wrote:

TheirPoint wrote:

Real question though... what if a 2:37 male marathoner suddenly identified as a woman? Would they get to run as a female at the OTs and receive financial support?

chill out and don't be phobic, that's not how any of that works, there will never be a transgendered OTQ, it's physically impossible because they have less testosterone than someone postmenopausal

you are thinking of the high school nonsense where they don't have to have any changes yet, that's not how it works at the national level so it doesn't cost you anything to be respectful

BOOM

Americans are soft wrote:

Can people just not run fast? Does hard training and mental toughness count anymore? Oh yeah we’re more concerned about the shoes people are racing in.

Piss off with that.

Seriously. Try telling that to Mary Keitany.

I've done a bunch of races since the Vaporfly came out and I see them here and there, but not commonly.. that was until CIM the other day. Holy moly, sea of bright red shoes as far as the eye could see. But, for everyone running fast in the Vaporfly, there were 4~5 others nearby in other shoes.

UA Runner wrote:

Americans are soft wrote:

Can people just not run fast? Does hard training and mental toughness count anymore? Oh yeah we’re more concerned about the shoes people are racing in.

Piss off with that.

Seriously. Try telling that to Mary Keitany.

I've done a bunch of races since the Vaporfly came out and I see them here and there, but not commonly.. that was until CIM the other day. Holy moly, sea of bright red shoes as far as the eye could see. But, for everyone running fast in the Vaporfly, there were 4~5 others nearby in other shoes.

the thing that confuses me is that people don't seem to grasp both situations can be true

1. there are people with so much genetic talent and perfect economy that they can perform as well as someone with vaporflys

2. people with less talent and less economy can perform significantly better with the carbon-spring in zoomflys, vaporflys, carbon-rocket, hyperion-elites, speed-elite-hyper and whatever saucony is calling theirs

what crosses the line though is when people in group #2 are compared to group #1 as being the same thing (either by themselves or the same thing) when the benefit from the shoes is so significant, then they downplay the benefit of the shoes and insist both are the same?

records are being broken left and right ONLY because these shoes are relatively new to people attempting those courses or records - eventually people from group #1 are also going to wear the shoes so the record will be "broken" again

I mean imagine Mary Keitany, Molly Huddle or Sara Hall with carbon-springs, they may get less benefit because their economy is already incredibly high but they'll get some benefit.

Sara Hall has been wearing an ASICS carbon plate shoe. Where have you been?