Increasing of the amount of people quiting veganism: (formerly the vegan runner on YouTube has quit veganism)

Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:

. But I also think high carb diets, or even vegan diets, have been proven to be very healthy (in most cases, when done correctly), if not THE healthiest diets, and that athletes can certainly succeed on these diets. This has been proven countless times, and stating otherwise is just absolutely disregarding reality.

Proof? Blue zones which you will probably counter with are not the plant base paradise that vegans make them out to be. Seven day Adventist studies were funded by kellogg. The nutritional guidelines encouraging people to eat a plant based diet have been biased since the founding, being founded by christian vegetarians who thought abstaining from animal products was the key to salvation. And, since people have been eating more plant base the worse people health have gotten. The environmental impact vegans claim animal agriculture has is greatly exaggerated. You cannot get the proper nutrition from a vegan diet.

Frank tufano promotes a zero carb diet. ZERO people have run a sub 4 mile. Sub 14 5k. Sub 30 10k. Sub 60 half. Sub 210 marathon on a zero carb diet. The fastest keto marathoners take carbs before and during their races and can't break 230

Yeah, he's not a runner. I'm 100% sure if he was more active he would eat more carbs. But on the other hand ZERO people have ran a sub 4 minute mile, sub 13 minute 5k, sub 27 minute 10k, sub 60 minute half marathon, and a sub 2:10 marathon on a meat free diet. And, you still haven't addressed his points or the studies he linked to.

That guy promotes 0 carb wrote:

Frank tufano promotes a zero carb diet. ZERO people have run a sub 4 mile. Sub 14 5k. Sub 30 10k. Sub 60 half. Sub 210 marathon on a zero carb diet. The fastest keto marathoners take carbs before and during their races and can't break 230

Re: The whole “body cannibalizing itself” ...seriously?! If you eat a balanced vegan diet protein is not a concern! Why are we so obessed and worried about protein? It is like in the movie Idiocracy when people aimlessly state “ buuut its got electrolytes.” Yeah we need essential aminos. Most Americans eat way too much protein though! Doctors in the US basically only diagnose problems with “low protein” in anorexics...who are basically just not eating enough calories. Again, i hate the “n=1” stories because that qualifies as a “horrible experiment”, but for reference I’ve been a born and raised vegetarian (99% vegan the past 4 years). I’ve run 5 sub 2:20 marathons. I’ve never had an overuse injury take me out for more than 2 weeks in my 20 year running career. Some of that is likely genetics...but diet can influence genes. At 33 i feel exactly the same as I did at 23. That doesnt matter though. It is basic science that the human body is designed to thrive mainly on carbs (and of course some fat) for fuel. Can people survive on keto/fat burning? Of course. That is what cavemen did as a survival mechanism. Why would we want to live like a caveman nowadays? Their health was horrible and life expectancy was relatively very short. Just wait another 10-15 years when cancer rates get even worse and heart disease is still a #1 killer in the US because of the “high fat, high animal protein and low carb” diet fads going on now. No wonder we need to focus more on STEM in the US. People really have trouble evaluating legit science.

YMMV wrote:

YMMV wrote:

Stains are the pill form of leeches

edit- Statins, not "Stains"

steak does the body good wrote:

Yeah, he's not a runner. I'm 100% sure if he was more active he would eat more carbs. But on the other hand ZERO people have ran a sub 4 minute mile, sub 13 minute 5k, sub 27 minute 10k, sub 60 minute half marathon, and a sub 2:10 marathon on a meat free diet. And, you still haven't addressed his points or the studies he linked to.

That guy promotes 0 carb wrote:

Frank tufano promotes a zero carb diet. ZERO people have run a sub 4 mile. Sub 14 5k. Sub 30 10k. Sub 60 half. Sub 210 marathon on a zero carb diet. The fastest keto marathoners take carbs before and during their races and can't break 230

I like that your standard for vegans is much lower than for zero carb. Shows that at least deep down you know what the truth really is.

Anyway, he's a random vegan runner that is pretty fast.

Stop the BS Sage, you do not absorb the proteins in plants. There are anti nutrients in plants that prevent the body from absorbing vitamins and minerals. The protein in plants are not in the quantity or quality the human body needs. There is a reason why formerly the vegan runner was consuming 8000+ calories a day was was still not gaining any weight. Most Americans under eat protein and over eat processed carbs that you think are healthy. And please keep saying the sh!t you are saying. More and more ex-vegans are waking up everyday realizing how unhealthy and detrimental a plant based diet is. "I use too think like you did, oh I feel great eating vegan."Until I realized I wasn't feeling like I use too, and as soon as I ate a steak, bam instant health. All my ailments went away. Yes, you will say something along the lines of, "anecdotal evidence is BS." But, how many more ex-vegans need to come out until vegans cut the BS. How many more studies need to show how detrimental a vegan diet is to the health of the bones. How many more studies need to come out showing how detrimental the vegan diet is to ones mental health? Why do vegans have to LIE about the environmental impact animal agriculture has on the environment?

Sage- what exactly is your STEM backround? Mine is Environmental Physiology at the graduate level.

Your understanding of "basic science" is the inverse of reality. Ketones are far less toxic in their metabolism than sugar (which all carbohydrates are broken down to before metabolism, a fact that seems to elude you). Ketones were the mainstay of metabolism for hunter-gatherers; sugar was an ephemeral and temporary expedient between productive kills.

I won't bother to address your now-routine smokescreen of straw men until you address my counterargument on why bovine metabolism is not a factor in any climate change whatsoever (which in any case is rendered moot by the fact that humans only contribute 1-2% of the non-toxic gas, CO2, to the atmosphere. The most significant "greenhouse gas" is H2O).

I personal theory on why people who say veganism was bad for them is because of anxiety from overthinking health and diet. It is ingrained in peoples minds that you need meat, you need milk etc... often times this can manifest in second guessing. Everyone I've ever talked to that has gone vegan/plant based has said they have second guessed themselves multiple times.

The fact people say things like this "I ate one steak and bam, I was cured" just goes to show how much of a mental health issue this is rather than diet. You've convinced yourself that the meat 'cured' you so it did, its just like a placebo affect. Actual dietary deficiencies take a long time to recover from, you don't just eat a piece of something or take a single supplement. If you are low in b12 or something for example it is going to take a least a week to get your levels good. It explains everything about why people who say this always just have random things about their 'poor' health, much of those kinds of things are literally symptoms of anxiety, its hypochondria.

YouKnowTheTruthDeepDown wrote:

steak does the body good wrote:

Yeah, he's not a runner. I'm 100% sure if he was more active he would eat more carbs. But on the other hand ZERO people have ran a sub 4 minute mile, sub 13 minute 5k, sub 27 minute 10k, sub 60 minute half marathon, and a sub 2:10 marathon on a meat free diet. And, you still haven't addressed his points or the studies he linked to.

I like that your standard for vegans is much lower than for zero carb. Shows that at least deep down you know what the truth really is.

Anyway, he's a random vegan runner that is pretty fast.

https://www.strava.com/athletes/9521000

First, I am not promoting a zero carb diet. I realize that we need them in certain situations. But, for the average sedentary person the amount of carbs they need is quite low. And, even for the amount of exercise most people are doing they do not need the amount of sugar they believe they need. Chris Froome realized this, cut his carb intake and increased his fat and protein intake and went on to win the tour de France. The importance of sugar has been greatly exaggerated by sports drink companies to sell more sugar water to the public. Also, your standards are quite weird. In what world is one equating a 60 minute half to a 14 minute 5k?

It wasn't my standard, I just pointing out that you changed it from the person you replied to.

Anyway, just show me even 1 person skipping carbs running as fast as this random vegan guy Nicolo.

Wasn't the case for me. I fully drank the vegan kool aid. I read about a dozen books on why we should be vegan for our health while I was vegan, watched many vegan propaganda documentaries on why we need to go vegan for the environment, health and ethics, I watched many many hours of vegan propaganda on youtube. I was evangelizing to everyone who would listen to me why they should be vegan. To be honest I did not want to eat meat, but I just ate the steak to see what would happen. Just from that small steak I ate that day I actually had a sense of being satiated for the first time in years. Every since all my ailments went away. You can claim it was placebo or whatever, but just go fly a kite. And, of course the vegan cult will claim I did it wrong. But that is BS. I was whole foods plant based the whole way through my four years. Now I realize you can not absorb these vitamins and minerals from plants I use too falsely believe you could. You can not get the proper amount of protein or the kind of quality the human body needs. The human digestive system does not have a cecum, meaning we do not digest plants the same way our primate cousins do, which is why vegans have bloating and gas problems.

YouKnowTheTruthDeepDown wrote:

It wasn't my standard, I just pointing out that you changed it from the person you replied to.

Anyway, just show me even 1 person skipping carbs running as fast as this random vegan guy Nicolo.

First, I never claim we do not need exercise for intense exercise.

Second, name me one vegan as fast as this Maasai runner:

I dont need to since you can't even find 1 low carber as fast as vegan dude so you lose by default.

Chris froome lowered (not removed) his carbs in the off season. He eats differently when he races, like taking gels.

steak does the body good wrote:

Chris Froome realized this, cut his carb intake and increased his fat and protein intake, suddenly developed asthma, and went on to win the tour de France.

FTFY

Off season wrote:

Chris froome lowered (not removed) his carbs in the off season. He eats differently when he races, like taking gels.

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO REPEAT THIS. I NEVER YOU CLAIM YOU DO NOT NEED CARBS FOR INTENSE EXERCISE. WE DO NEED THEM, THIS IS NOT WHAT THE DEBATE IS ABOUT.

YMMV wrote:

Sage- what exactly is your STEM backround? Mine is Environmental Physiology at the graduate level.

So your STEM background is irrelevant here.

Just as all your posts are.

YouKnowTheTruthDeepDown wrote:

I dont need to since you can't even find 1 low carber as fast as vegan dude so you lose by default.

Zach Bitter is faster than Sage at hundred milers. You loose by default looser.

You"guys listen to this man he knows what's up"

Me"You need carbs that guy promotes 0 carb"

You"I know you need carbs, that's why I promoted this zero carb guru"