Increasing of the amount of people quiting veganism: (formerly the vegan runner on YouTube has quit veganism)

Run fast eat fast wrote:

Because plants are less calorically-dense and more volume and fiber-rich, many people undereat on a vegan diet.

They undereat because the food tastes like sh*t

Blech wrote:

Run fast eat fast wrote:

Because plants are less calorically-dense and more volume and fiber-rich, many people undereat on a vegan diet.

They undereat because the food tastes like sh*t

And, more importantly the protein is not as absorbable and is not as in high quality as in meat. 3 oz of steak has only 170 calories and 25 grams of protein. Now to get that much protein from plant foods(not to mention it is not the same quality) one would have to eat way more food(both calorically speaking and stomach volume wise). This is why a lot of people who are vegan/ex vegan report eat 4000, 5000 and in the case of the person formerly known as the vegan runner 8000 calories a day. Because there body is not get the protein it needs and despite eating this much food they still feel hungry. Not a term yet, but it reminds me of rabbit starvation. We should call it veggie starvation.

Agreed! I like how people assumed what happened to them will obviously happen to everyone. You can run fast on a vegan diet and I’m curious what these people who tried to go vegan and felt terrible were actually eating.

Vegrunr33 wrote:

Agreed! I like how people assumed what happened to them will obviously happen to everyone. You can run fast on a vegan diet and I’m curious what these people who tried to go vegan and felt terrible were actually eating.

I use too lie to myself too and tell myself the same thing when I was vegan for four years. "Oh, that person didn't do it right." Just excuse after excuse, until I ate a steak after four years of being vegan, I ate the steak because I was just deteriorating both mentally and physically. And, I was doing it right. Whole foods, plant-based, with plenty of calories. And, thought F-it, I am supposedly eating the healthiest diet on the planet and feel like sh!t. So, F-it, I am going eat a steak. And after reintroducing the animal products, all of my ailments went away. Use too get light headed and dizzy all the time. Constant hunger, snacking all day. Anxiety and other mental problems, gone. I use too get heart palpitation that I blamed on drinking too much coffee and too much exercise, but now those heart palpitation are gone. My teeth were thinning, and started to get cavities that I never had a problem with before going vegan. So, many health problems are now gone since reintroducing animal products. So, I am done with this cult. Hopefully you wake up too before it is too late.

To each their own. If you feel better eating meat then keep doing it. But you cannot make blanket statements about everyone who is vegan. I actually feel better since becoming vegan, and never experience those things you listed (dizziness, heart palpitations, etc). I do have to pay careful attention to what I’m eating to make sure I’m getting enough of what I need. I have never been deficient in B12. I do have low iron (however had that even when I ate meat), so supplement for that. But don’t plan on going back as I dont eat meat for ethical and moral reasons. But it’s just interesting to read on here how people felt terrible as I have felt quite the opposite.

For the first year or two so, I too felt better. But the longer I was vegan, the worse I got. I didn't get those symptoms immediately. It was slow progression. And yes, I did take supplements. I took vitamin B-12, and vitamin D-3. And, yes I did eat a well balance. I was using a calorie counter app, and was hitting 100% of all my RDA's. Don't take my warnings now, just wait and see. Please, just watch some of the ex-vegan interviews on sv3rige YouTube channel.

Part of the lure of vegan is that very often the first 6-12 months people often feel better as they get at least some natural food as opposed to the SAD diet, are not eating as much because of the poor palatibilty and despite the nutrient deficit of plant food, it provides a boost in the same way as a long fast. Plus the insulin system hasn't broken down too much yet. As time goes by all of this changes as the nutrients that were stored before have been gone through, and the body begins to essentially eat itself, despite high caloric intake. The breaking point arrives depending on genetics, history, activity and so forth, but it usually arrives after a 2-3 years minimum to 8-10 maximum. A few people, as noted, push past the survival instinct at some point, and devolve into full emaciation and mental illness.

lol, more utter and complete nonsense. Why would you commit so much time to pulling $hit out of your ass to claim veganism is impossible to sustain and will always bring about health problems when there are literally 1000's upon 1000's of people who have not experienced that. What is your agenda exactly? Troll? Vegan hater? Just bored?

I suppose I don't have evidence that it was the vegan diet that caused those problems, and of course understand that correlation does not prove causation. I can deduce however by process of elimination, and know that sleep was adequate and do feel that I was getting enough calories (weight stayed the same, was never excessively hungry all the time, and subscribed to The Purple Carrot meal boxes which are pretty calorie dense). I was very stressed at the time, but I wonder too how much of that was also caused by the diet. I think it might have worked out better if I lived in a community/city that was more progressive and in tune with the times, and I had had access to better quality, less processed vegan foods. For example, it's probably a lot easier to be a vegan in places like Austin, TX and Portland, OR than it is in a relatively small city in southern New Mexico.

I may or may not try it again, but in the mean time what I am doing is working, and plan to stay with that until it doesn't. To each their own, and as others have said, you do you.

Just watch some vegan youtubers. They always have excuse, usually they sometimes like "I'm detoxifying". And, all the ex-vegans admit they weren't feeling like they claim they did.

Update video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y5JJumfvhc

Happy to see him happy and healthy again.

steak does the body good wrote:

Update video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y5JJumfvhc

Happy to see him happy and healthy again.

Veganism are the flat earthers of fitness. Since the dawn of man, people have been eating meat as their main source of fuel to survive. Meat provides all the nutrients required to survive. Vegans say you need to supplement B12 but it’s in animal products so you wouldn’t need to supplement f you weren’t vegan

SangnamGyle wrote:

steak does the body good wrote:

Update video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y5JJumfvhc

Happy to see him happy and healthy again.

Veganism are the flat earthers of fitness. Since the dawn of man, people have been eating meat as their main source of fuel to survive. Meat provides all the nutrients required to survive. Vegans say you need to supplement B12 but it’s in animal products so you wouldn’t need to supplement f you weren’t vegan

Not just B12.

K2, D3, calcium, iodine, heme iron, A, leucine, taurine, carnosine, carnitine, DHA, EPA, cholesterol (found in every cell, with the brain having highest demand). And most of all: just plain healthy, clean-burning, pastured saturated fat.

Also note that there are ZERO necessary carbohydrates. Carbs are treated by the body as it does alcohol...get it broken down and metabolized as quickly as possible since it is not a reliable long-term energy source, and is toxic in high doses.

I can't wait for Troll-erone Rectal-XXXing to come on and get unhinged over this. He still can't figure out what "fad diet" I am supposedly on, poor, barking, slobbering, mouth-foaming little chihuahua that he is.

YMMV wrote:

Not just B12.

K2, D3, calcium, iodine, heme iron, A, leucine, taurine, carnosine, carnitine, DHA, EPA, cholesterol (found in every cell, with the brain having highest demand). And most of all: just plain healthy, clean-burning, pastured saturated fat.

Also note that there are ZERO necessary carbohydrates. Carbs are treated by the body as it does alcohol...get it broken down and metabolized as quickly as possible since it is not a reliable long-term energy source, and is toxic in high doses.

I can't wait for Troll-erone Rectal-XXXing to come on and get unhinged over this. He still can't figure out what "fad diet" I am supposedly on, poor, barking, slobbering, mouth-foaming little chihuahua that he is.

Too funny. What a complete imbecile you are. The only one "unhinged" is you who apparently is all bent out of shape because I told you the truth that you are on a fad diet. You've brought this up 20 times even though I haven't even engaged you recently (and you are: the low carb/keto/paleo/Taubes/carbs-are-the-devil bull$hit fad diet not backed by science in the least. Did I really need to spell that out for you? Duh, it was obvious which fad diet you were on. Now can you at least STFU about that ? Great, thanks douchebag.)

All your points above, which is true about everything you write about nutrition, is worthless and meaningless. The ONLY nutrient a vegan is really deficient on B12, and that can easily be obtained via vitamin pill, which tons of the non-vegan population consumes also. So what?

And your idiocy about "carbs are treated by the body like alcohol" is a pure and unadulterated dog-crap of a statement. You literally couldn't write anything dumber.

And "plain healthy, clean-burning, pastured saturated fat", WTF does that mean? Clean burning? Anyway: A) newsflash moron, many non-meat foods have saturated fat, so a vegan could easily consume plenty if he/she wanted to, and B) high amounts of animal based sat fats absolutely raise LDL, which absolutely raise one's CVD risk. This is as absolute of a scientific statement that one could make, and yet you low carb fad diet morons deny it 'til your blue in the face. Who are the "Flat eathers" of nutrition? That's right, it ain't vegans, it's buffoons like you who that think they are saving the world with their completely fad diet garbage advice.

Lastly, "Troll-erone Rectal-XXXing " ??? WTF? That couldn't be any less witty or less funny if you tried, and yet you think it is so amusing you are actually *repeating* it? And aren't you like 60 years old or something? I'd expect a 13 y.o. to come up with something like. Jesus man, you are complete embarrassment.

And you are way too impressed with yourself. I can tell you think you are some awesome athlete dude, when in reality....your some slow, weak, skinny, old dude that no one even notices. But hey, that's why they have the internet, so people like you can spout off about $hit they know nothing about (in your case, nutrition), talk big, and try and get attention they sorely lack! IT was practically invented for that reason! (or at least it seems like it sometimes). Atta boy keyboard warrior, go get 'em tiger!!

Lol, what a loser you are.

Facts, while pro plant based/vegans claim you can get all your nutrients from plants. You can not absorb these nutrients. And, these plant foods people like you claim are healthy are in fact anti nutrients and are toxic.

Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:

yap yap (slobber) yap yap

Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:

Lol, what a loser you are.

This is how not to rationally debate diet with someone, let alone convince them of a moral lifestyle decision. Name-calling is why meaningful dietary discussions rarely happen.

Vegan here.

How Not To Die wrote:

Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:

Lol, what a loser you are.

This is how not to rationally debate diet with someone, let alone convince them of a moral lifestyle decision. Name-calling is why meaningful dietary discussions rarely happen.

Vegan here.

Thanks for lesson. Generally true, but...

A) "Troll-erone Rectal-XXXing .....

unhinged ...

poor, barking, slobbering, mouth-foaming little chihuahua that he is"

I didn't start the childish name-calling. When in Rome......

B) While I appreciate your naive belief that hard-core followers of a belief system are open minded and rational and willing to be convinced by unemotional logic and science and reason........get real (oh, you poor innocent babe in the woods). Have you EVER listened to/read people debating religion, politics, or nutrition ? If so, you'd know that that works about as well as name-calling, as in, it doesn't. In fact, the more rational, cold evidence you pile up to refute their fake-science, they cling ever harder to their beliefs. This has actually been proven in some recent studies on the topic. So.......rock and a hard place.

I am 100% happy to debate people on nutrition on facts/research alone. I've done this countless times. But it seems to infuriate people that you are challenging their such cherished philosophy. And as far as veganism being a "moral lifestyle decision", that doesn't really concern me in these debates. I am debating the health and performance impact of the diet.

By the way, I've told vegans they are wrong about many of their viewpoints on diet also, because sometimes they are very wrong.

I am the open-minded one. I will criticize vegans or meat eaters if they say something incorrect on nutrition. I eat meat. I think moderate meat consumption can be healthy. But I also think high carb diets, or even vegan diets, have been proven to be very healthy (in most cases, when done correctly), if not THE healthiest diets, and that athletes can certainly succeed on these diets. This has been proven countless times, and stating otherwise is just absolutely disregarding reality.

TR- You keep talking about "fad diet" and "belief system" yet have no clue whatsoever where I am coming from, evident from your verbal stabbings in the dark, and are completely unable to categorize my supposed dogma because it doesn't exist. You yourself are locked into old dogma based on dated "science" which never was worth the name and has been thoroughly debunked in recent years, but you are defensively locked in and going the way of the proverbial dinosaur (T Rex, indeed).

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I am thrilled that this young man is finding a way out of his former dogma-based ways (no one apprised of the facts can deny that pure veganism is anything but a belief-based dogma) and continues to heal from his maladies (many of which I suffered myself) and goes on to run fast races that reflect his true abilities. He is going to be rewarded well for being open to the new realities.

If I had had the benefits of the wealth of information on the internet today (which must be sifted from the chaff) when I was his age, I would hope that I too would have been able to find my way out of the plant-based trap before I had done long-term damage, almost all of which I have now reversed or at least minimized. As it was, I feel extremely lucky that I was able to avoid the worst, such as a recent encounter I had with a poor emaciated and troubled woman with small children who was visibly wasting away due to bowel resection surgery on her small intestine, a procedure totally avoidable with dietary intervention. People are being mutilated, and yes, killed at the altar of a false medical paradigm. Veganism is just one extreme branch of a withering and dying, but very massive and profitable, tree.

The current status quo of institutional medicine and "nutrition" is being shown to be the modern-day equivalent of medieval bloodletting and use of leeches to extract "evil humours". Stains are the pill form of leeches meant to extract evil cholesterol humours, but are even more effective in extracting money from a broad swath of gullible victims. It is a modern catastrophe which fortunately for a few has a clear way out.