Increasing of the amount of people quiting veganism: (formerly the vegan runner on YouTube has quit veganism)

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Also worth noting that while Sage “feels good about himself” protecting the environment with his vaginistic diet - he then turns around and s%#ts all over the environment continually flying overseas - emitting air pollutants which cause climate change. Well done.

Hey man I never said i was an environmentalist. I drive a gas powered SUV and have flown on a ridiculous number of international flights this year. That is horrible for the environment. Obviously. I actually do feel bad about that. But the point was people don't realize the environmental impact eating things like beef has in terms of greenhouse gas emissions and waste (not to mention all the grain and water we have to grow for livestock...in a lot of countries it is a #1 cause of deforestation). As far as my running performances go....well like I said I view training and specificity as the #1 factor in distance running (along with genetics). Diet and sleep could be a close second. I'd say my whole #AnySurfaceAnyDistance mix up and very frequent racing from mountains to roads has "hurt "my performances more. I did run a number of sub 2:20 marathons in the past 3-4 years on a vegan diet though....including a top 10 finish and 2:19:50 at Houston this year. And I've never had an overuse injury take me out for more than 2 weeks at a time in 20 years of year round running. "N=1 stories" aren't studies though. I believe in good science. No where did I say "dairy proteins synthesize into estrogen." You are writing things I didn't write! You claim that amino acids can't be combined together at later times (aka "pooling"): https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2013/199/4/protein-and-vegetarian-diets#0_i1141116 Why do you think tofu is a horrible source of protein? Again though nobody was ever worried about protein. Japanese marathoners seem to be doing quite well. Back to the environment: If you believe in real science you will realize that we have a global crisis with greenhouse gas emissions/pollution and climate change. For most Americans changing from a beef and dairy heavy diet to a vegan/plant based diet is the #1 thing they can do to help the environment. (unless they are like me and they fly all the time...then maybe cutting back on international plane flights might be slightly better...but only slightly)....I never claimed to be an environmentalist though because I know I'd be a hypocrite.

Sage, I am going to make this as simple as I can for you.

Before the evil white man came to the continent, there were 60 million bison. Today, there are only a few thousand bison, but 40 million cows, of which 10 million are dairy cows. Yet SOMEHOW, eating beef (30 million cows) has caused anthropogenic climate change in the last century, according to your "real science" narrative. So a more than 40% REDUCTION in ruminant biomass (cows are smaller than bison) has caused a worldwide climate crisis thanks to evil white people.

Are you so brain-damaged and deluded to believe this udder bullshit?

BTW the greatest number of cows anywhere on Earth is India, with 284 million. I'll do that math for you: it is SEVEN times the amount of cows as the U.S., and India is a mostly VEGETARIAN country.

Maybe you can get back on that plane and go to India and count them yourself, along with Al Gore.

Keep guzzling that Kool-Aid.

facts and reason wrote:

YMMV wrote:

I still have a mouth full of fillings and crowns installed at great pain and expense.

Aren't you supposed to just spend more time on oral hygiene?

An omnivore may eat candy like Centrowitz, hot dogs, pizza, etc. A vegan diet is not necessarily worse for the teeth.

While, yes a omnivore diet can be bad on the teeth. Because, it includes sugar. Just personal anecdotal evidence here. Never had teeth problems in my life. Not one cavity, until I went vegan. And, longer I was vegan the thinner my teeth got. To the point you could basically see through my bottom front teeth. Not just me, but a bunch of ex-vegans report the same thing.

facts and reason wrote:

YMMV wrote:

I still have a mouth full of fillings and crowns installed at great pain and expense.

Aren't you supposed to just spend more time on oral hygiene?

An omnivore may eat candy like Centrowitz, hot dogs, pizza, etc. A vegan diet is not necessarily worse for the teeth.

I brushed religiously three times a day and flossed at least once, but since I was eating constantly to combat blood sugar and "carb the f#ck up", my mouth was bathed in carbohydrate all day long, hence the cavities, bleeding gums, plaque buildup. But that was just the tip of the iceberg of things that were falling apart.

In the five years since going low carb, I brush and floss once a day, have better breath, and zero cavities, plaque or bleeding gums.

"It's The Inflammation Stupid".

YMMV wrote:

facts and reason wrote:

Aren't you supposed to just spend more time on oral hygiene?

An omnivore may eat candy like Centrowitz, hot dogs, pizza, etc. A vegan diet is not necessarily worse for the teeth.

I brushed religiously three times a day and flossed at least once, but since I was eating constantly to combat blood sugar and "carb the f#ck up", my mouth was bathed in carbohydrate all day long, hence the cavities, bleeding gums, plaque buildup. But that was just the tip of the iceberg of things that were falling apart.

In the five years since going low carb, I brush and floss once a day, have better breath, and zero cavities, plaque or bleeding gums.

"It's The Inflammation Stupid".

This, and the vegan diet is very mineral depleting. The minerals in plant foods are very hard to absorb. And, despite popular myths that the vegan diet is alkalizing. It is in fact very acidic. So a it is a one-two punch, it is acidic i.e. mineral depleting and is in fact deficit in minerals. To make this worse a lot of vegans promote low calcium diets. Saying you only need half the recommend RDA of calcium. And certain vegan doctors tell people not to get bone density test. In the next few decades I will not be surprised to see sky high hip fracture rates in vegans. Just to see what Veganism did to my teeth(making them see through thin), only one can imagine what the bones we can't see look like. In addition to the most recent meta analysis confirms this.

One other dental thing: especially in the last months, my teeth have gotten incredibly white and clean-looking. I used to blame tea and coffee, and used all different kinds of whitening products to no avail. I haven't changed my tea or coffee consumption, but now I have news anchor choppers, lol.

Here is what meat-eating teeth look like:

https://afktravel.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/maasai-women.jpg

YMMV wrote:

One other dental thing: especially in the last months, my teeth have gotten incredibly white and clean-looking. I used to blame tea and coffee, and used all different kinds of whitening products to no avail. I haven't changed my tea or coffee consumption, but now I have news anchor choppers, lol.

Here is what meat-eating teeth look like:

https://afktravel.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/maasai-women.jpg

Same thing here, I've always blamed coffee for my teeth, when my teeth were thinning on a vegan diet. Haven't changed my coffee consumption at all. But just the last two weeks or so since quitting Veganism my teeth have visibly have gotten much more stronger and thicker. Went from see through, to remarkably better in just the last couple weeks. Thought that whole marketing campaign as a vegan that milk does the body good was BS. Now I realize it is not. So much more minerals (and much more easily absorbable) in meat, dairy and eggs. Just seeing the benefits the last two weeks or so, can't wait to see what my teeth will look like in the future as they heal from the damage I did to them. Lol, I remember one time as a vegan I chipped my front bottom teeth just from gritting my teeth. If that wasn't a wake up call I don't know what is.

Believe me, this is just the beginning of the changes :)

Another thing: I had toenail fungus (HORRIBLE) and acne throughout my adult life. Now acne is GONE and toenails are growing in normal. Don't get me started on asthma, arrhythmia, hair recession, lack of libido, alcohol, sciatica, etc etc

Humans are not made to eat carbs even every day, much less all day.

Did u even watch the guy's video bro? His body is literally deteriorating due to lack of meat. F*&# does he care about the environment if his health is at risk? Many other people have quit veganism too, its being proven that this is simply not healthy for the body.

That's another thing I've noticed too, I use too get heart palpitations. Which I thought it was from the coffee and exercise. Since eating animal products again they have completely went away. My mental health 100% better, anxiety use too almost paralyze me. Crazy and dark thoughts have went away. I was going crazy. Just this alone is all the evidence I need that we need animal products. Plus I'm not sluggish all day digesting indigestable plant foods. Another thing, is I suffered from low blood sugar, low blood pressure, always dizzy, and light headed. I couldn't go more than a few hours without a snack. Now since switching to a animal based diet this has gone away. No more light headedness, no more dizziness and my blood pressure is healthy now. Now I only need to eat twice a day and I don't feel hungry at all or feel the need to snack between meals. And I thought my running was going suffer eat a low carb diet. Nope. In fact my daily runs have gotten faster and feel so much more focused and my legs feel much more powerful and explosive.

every day wrote:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7450/11010976084_c7b2768314_b.jpg

The typical let’s run basement dweller.

Thanks Sage.

I am long enough vegetarian to not care about the convoluted thoughts of some meat eaters anymore. But now I am old enough to harvest the benefits of good eating habits. Recently at a check up my doctor said that I was the healthiest person he would see for a month. The nurse was shocked that I didn't take any medication.

Ridicule us all you want but please don't complain when you get injuries or get sick.

YMMV wrote:

BTW the greatest number of cows anywhere on Earth is India, with 284 million. I'll do that math for you: it is SEVEN times the amount of cows as the U.S., and India is a mostly VEGETARIAN country.

Maybe you can get back on that plane and go to India and count them yourself, along with Al Gore.

Keep guzzling that Kool-Aid.

BS - India has only 40% Vegetarians

Mahatma Gandhi wrote:

YMMV wrote:

BTW the greatest number of cows anywhere on Earth is India, with 284 million. I'll do that math for you: it is SEVEN times the amount of cows as the U.S., and India is a mostly VEGETARIAN country.

Maybe you can get back on that plane and go to India and count them yourself, along with Al Gore.

Keep guzzling that Kool-Aid.

BS - India has only 40% Vegetarians

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism_by_country#India

It is illegal to eat beef there, despite the vast number of cows. So they might as well all be veg-heads. An almost complete waste of resources (they do use the milk). F#cking hypocrite "save the Earth"vegans need to boycott Indian products if they are serious about their cow fart agenda.

To the supposed healthy old guy: you have no idea what it is to be injury-free until you eat adequate amounts of meat, eggs and fish and ditch the grains, soy, potatoes and vegetable oils. It is almost impossible to get sore from workouts anymore (and I am running hard anaerobic track sessions in spikes, age 62). As a high-carb athlete I was always one step from the next injury setback. My ankles were chronically puffy due to inflammation, a sign that the circulatory system is under seige. This was all eating "whole grains" and fruits and vegetables only. All that is gone with the methane-scented wind.

pocketsmaster wrote:

I'm just getting a strong attack vibe from the things you said, which I guess is because of your experience, so that makes sense.

Um, no. You were right the first time. He is just an A-hole troll who feels the need to constantly attack Sage and other vegans because......he's an A-hole troll who is a diet cultists (he was "all in" on veganism. Now he is "all in" on paleo type diets. I am sure he will be on to the next fad shortly, and be "all in" with that too.).

don't give him the benefit of the doubt, he doesn't deserve it (and most of the things he posts are pure pseudo-science)

(and for the record I am not a vegan or vegetarian. Never have been. And I will debate and correct vegans on their pseudo-science and when they are overhyping their diets too, which they do a lot. I am just anti-nonsense, which YMMV character is full of)

YMMV wrote:

If I seem strident on some of my above posts, I'm afraid that I feel there needs to be pushback against a strongly media-promoted diet/cult that is fundamentally flawed and has caused serious problems for many people,.

lol, this verbatim what nearly every strident paleo/keto/low carb person says. You are as deep into this flavor kool-aid as every vegan is into their flavor.

And both sides convince themselves that their diet changes changed/saved their lives and helped them in........EVERYthing!!!!

A good piece of steak is hard to pass up. I do hear though they're making plant proteins that taste good. Not like that gross vege-burger.

YMMV wrote:

Sage, I am going to make this as simple as I can for you.

Before the evil white man came to the continent......

Ahhh.....and the curtain is pulled back. Never take diet advice from a racist idiot.

(and of course I know the "evil" was sarcastic. That's my point, it's your stupid satire that gives you away. Go away old man, no wants to here you Bull$hit)