+1000
And YMMV, you are 62 but behave like a 13 year old bully.
Grow up. 'Bout time!
+1000
And YMMV, you are 62 but behave like a 13 year old bully.
Grow up. 'Bout time!
"A study from the University of Graz says that contrary to popular opinion, vegetarian and vegan diets don’t make people healthier. In fact it found that vegetarians are ill more often, more susceptible to physical and mental disorders and generally have a lower quality of life than people who eat meat. They’re more at risk of cancer, have more heart attacks and are more likely to suffer from psychological disorders."
"Speaking to The Austrian Times, study co-ordinator and epidemiologist Nathalie Burkert said: “We did find that vegetarians suffer more from certain conditions like asthma, cancer and mental illnesses than people that eat meat as well, but we cannot say what is the cause and what is the effect."
Get Back On Your Meds wrote:
"but we cannot say what is the cause and what is the effect."
i.e we just wrote a nonsense clickbait article about a shitty study that doesn't prove anything.
And again, I am not vegan or vegetarian.
YouKnowTheTruthDeepDown wrote:
Get Back On Your Meds wrote:
"but we cannot say what is the cause and what is the effect."
i.e we just wrote a nonsense clickbait article about a shitty study that doesn't prove anything.
And again, I am not vegan or vegetarian.
A few reasons for the mental health outcomes of these vegetables. One, lack of fat. Especially omega 3 fatty acid. Two, no cholesterol in the diet. The brain is made out of cholesterol. Not eating any cholesterol results in starving the brain. There is a reason why violent prisoners have low cholesterol. Three, lack of vitamin B-12. Four, lack of nutrients not found in plants l-carnitine for example. All of these combined is why all long term vegans have brain fog. Watch sage videos, he has to pause for a reason and think/loses train of thought in his videos.
YouKnowTheTruthDeepDown wrote:
Get Back On Your Meds wrote:
"but we cannot say what is the cause and what is the effect."
i.e we just wrote a nonsense clickbait article about a shitty study that doesn't prove anything.
And again, I am not vegan or vegetarian.
But you are mentally ill.
Hi TRectum wrote:
YouKnowTheTruthDeepDown wrote:
i.e we just wrote a nonsense clickbait article about a shitty study that doesn't prove anything.
And again, I am not vegan or vegetarian.
But you are mentally ill.
Once again, not me. (My God you are an embarrassing imbecilic, toddler-old man. )
But that other dude is correct.
Your cherry-picked study is absolute garbage.
Here is a thorough take down of your crappy little study
https://www.nhs.uk/news/food-and-diet/vegetarians-have-poorer-quality-of-life-study-claims/(and several assertions about the study in the popular press were not even claimed in the study. As "YouKnowTheTruthDeepDown" said, absolute clickbait study that only a gullible, Keto Kool-aid drinker would fall for hook, line, and sinker)
Hi TRectum wrote:
YouKnowTheTruthDeepDown wrote:
i.e we just wrote a nonsense clickbait article about a shitty study that doesn't prove anything.
And again, I am not vegan or vegetarian.
But you are mentally ill.
You sad 62 year-old prick.
I bet that when you were vegan you attacked people just as you attack vegans now.
And have the decency to post under your YMMV = Y'all Me Moron (ex-)Vegan stupid name.
Dear Vegans, humans do not have a cecum. Meaning we cannot processes a large amount of plant matter. This is why you are always bloated and gasy. Our stomach acid is the ph of a carnivore. Pleas stop pretending you are herbivores.
1) The mental health outcomes aren't true. It was a $hit study, with "self-reported" medical outcomes/conditions. Lol at that.
2) My God, you're a witty one! don't quit you day job (internet troll) for a career in comedy.
Except, except.....tons of non-meat foods have lots of fat.
Ever hear of nuts? (yes, you are one). And seeds? There are tons of varieties of nuts and seeds, and nearly all are very high in fat, and very popular with non-meat eaters.
Ever hear of olive and other veggie/seed oils? Yes, all fat, and very popular in vegetarian diets.
Ever hear of avocado and guacamole? Very high in fat, very popular with non-meat eaters.
Ever hear of chocolate ? Ever hear of tofu? Same things: High fat, eaten by vegetarians/vegans.
And if you are not vegan, and just avoid meat, of course eggs and dairy have plenty of fat.
So..............you're an idiot. You could easily eat a high-fat diet as a vegetarian or vegan.
Except, except.........(this oughta crush your widdle feelings!)
Study: Vegans Have More DHA And Omega-3 Than Fish-Eaters
http://www.vegsource.com/news/2010/11/study-vegans-have-more-dha-and-omega-3-than-fish-eaters.htmlhttps://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Article/2010/11/08/Omega-3-ALA-intakes-enough-for-EPA-DPA-levels-for-non-fish-eatersAnother study showing higher than expected conversion of ALA to EPA/DHA
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3179448/(yes, they are not vegans, but their intake of DHA/EPA is very low [no fish, little meat] and their blood levels did not reflect that:
"In fact, the especially low intake of EPA and DHA (29 and 6 mg/d, respectively) of the Maasai is similar to that of vegans or vegetarians ". And..
"Thus, there are indications that a continuously low intake of n-3 LC-PUFA results in an up-regulation of the endogenous synthesis of n-3 LC-PUFA from ALA as a precursor [38,42]."
Now, yes other studies show lower levels of DHA/EPA in vegans/vegetarians than fish eaters, but
A) If vegans are truly concerned, than just take some microalgae oil. Problem solved. Wow, that was hard.
B) non-vegan "pesco-vegetarians" can just eat fish. You certainly don't need red meat or other meat for EPA/DHA
Wrong. The body produces MORE than enough of its own cholesterol. Nice try.
If a vegan, Take a vitamin pill or fortified cereal. If a non-meat eater (vegetarian), drink some milk. Big deal, problem solved.
Yaaawn....not a concern.
https://www.livestrong.com/article/420041-do-vegans-need-carnitine/The only one with brain fog is you, because you didn't bring up one interesting concern about vegetarianism that hasn't already been addressed and an easy solution already found. You must have dementia, which isn't surprising considering your likely high sat fat intake from red meat-
"Of all the different types of fatty acids, the findings are most consistent for an increased risk of cognitive decline with a higher intake of saturated fatty acids."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4107296/"After little more than two decades of research on nutrition and dementia, there is strong evidence for ....deleterious effects of saturated fat, on dementia. "
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4849169/But thanks anyway!
Just brush that study aside. Vegan diet will result in low cholesterol, l carnitine and other nutrients you can not get on a vegan diet. This will result in:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2710104/https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2018/07/study-links-depression-to-low-blood-levels-of-acetyl-l-carnitine.html[/quote]
Nice ad homeniem. But instead of just looking at the paper value of a food, actually look at what your body can absorb.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8777015https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12810415https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15035687https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3183773Another problem with studies comparing the general public to vegans. One, the average person is not eating diet to began with. It would be like I did a study comparing heroin addicts to tobacco smokers and making the conclusion tobacco smoking is good for you. This and other factors are the problem with epidemiology. observational and survey studies.
And lastly, I thought veganism was good for the environment.
https://www.gesundheitsindustrie-bw.de/en/article/news/food-supplements-from-blue-green-algae-do-more-harm-than-good/https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/veganism-environment-veganuary-friendly-food-diet-damage-hodmedods-protein-crops-jack-monroe-a8177541.htmlPlease keep saying this myth.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11104842https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17364116Thanks for admitting the vegan diet is insufficient and unnatural that you have to take a supplement.
Says it is not a concern. Fact:
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2018/07/study-links-depression-to-low-blood-levels-of-acetyl-l-carnitine.html[/quote]
https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-health/why-not-flaxseed-oilhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18689552At least there is rehab now for vegans:
You must not know much about nutrition wrote:
Its surprising to me how people who claim to be smart and up on the latest developments in nutrition science have completely overlooked the role our gut microbiome plays in our health. Probably worth researching. Spoiler alert: fiber is pretty damn important. Good luck getting even a smidgen of the recommended (which is actually lower than it should be) fiber intake on a LCHF diet.
Not that I expect someone so adamant about their fad LCHF diet to eat something like this, but if someone is looking for a low carb source of dietary fiber, arame is the best I've ever seen (not that I eat it for that reason):
http://www.fitbit.com/foods/Arame+sea+Vegetable+/13372There are many problems with nutritional research and research in general. One, many researchers f-ck up the numbers to make x look much better or worse than it actually is. Watch a actual scientist explain this if you want to understand this.
Mixed feelings about this. On one hand that's fewer people that won't shut up about how great veganism is. On the other hand that means less meat for me.
Eat vegan, go nuts and die.
Bovine Intervention wrote:
Eat vegan, go nuts and die.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqvwEJ2dFdU
Y'all should check that guy out. He popped up on the population thread. A true out-there lunatic. A checklist of every conspiracy: vaccines are a conspiracy, parasites are a conspiracy, plants are a conspiracy. You won't find a crazier person on youtube. He's obviously lead a very sheltered life and has no idea what the outside world is like: "there aren't that many people in my town in Germany, so overpopulation is a lie" "if there are 8 billion people on the planet how come there aren't 8 billion youtube channels?".
Don't know whether I should despair for the world that a guy that insane gets a public platform or think what a great world we have that we're so generous that a guy that clueless at life can survive.
a lot to debunk here wrote:
Thanks for admitting the vegan diet is insufficient and unnatural that you have to take a supplement.
Are you enjoying your Metamucil?
a lot to debunk here wrote:
Says it is not a concern. Fact:
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2018/07/study-links-depression-to-low-blood-levels-of-acetyl-l-carnitine.html
"Even with a carnitine-deficient diet, a healthy person rarely suffers from carnitine deficiency."
(
https://www.livestrong.com/article/420041-do-vegans-need-carnitine/)
"But she cautioned against rushing to the store to pick up a bottle of acetyl-L-carnitine and self-medicating for depression. “We have many previous examples of how nutritional supplements widely available over the counter and unregulated by the Food and Drug Administration — for example, omega-3 fatty acids or various herbal substances — are touted as panaceas for you-name-it, and then don’t pan out,” she said.
Big questions remain, she added. “We’ve identified an important new biomarker of major depression disorder. We didn’t test whether supplementing with that substance could actually improve patients’ symptoms. "
(
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2018/07/study-links-depression-to-low-blood-levels-of-acetyl-l-carnitine.html)
So an otherwise healthy diet low in carnitine doesn't produce low carnitine levels. And your depression study people didn't test whether carnitine supplements can reverse low carnitine levels. Conclusion: low carnintine levels are likely a symptom of depression as opposed to a cause of it. Likely linked with excessive alcohol/drug consumption affecting the kidneys which regulate carnitine levels (based on my reading).
Defends it like one wrote:
YouKnowTheTruthDeepDown wrote:
i.e we just wrote a nonsense clickbait article about a shitty study that doesn't prove anything.
And again, I am not vegan or vegetarian.
A few reasons for the mental health outcomes of these vegetables. One, lack of fat. Especially omega 3 fatty acid. Two, no cholesterol in the diet. The brain is made out of cholesterol. Not eating any cholesterol results in starving the brain. There is a reason why violent prisoners have low cholesterol. Three, lack of vitamin B-12. Four, lack of nutrients not found in plants l-carnitine for example. All of these combined is why all long term vegans have brain fog. Watch sage videos, he has to pause for a reason and think/loses train of thought in his videos.
Sorry to be contrary, but you do not have to eat cholesterol containing products like meat and egg yokes to have plenty of it available for bodily functions, IE as a component of brain tissue, myelin sheaths, bile and several others. The liver produces plenty of it. In a genetic hypercholesterolemic, it produces way too much. Dietary saturated fat intake up regulates the production, polyunsaturated fat down regulates it. Mono's have a neutral effect. I'd be interested in seeing links to any research you might have that shows violent prisoners have as a group, low cholesterol in contract to non violent prisoners. Am curious. I was the co author of a published study looking at nutritional adequacy of a vegan diet, found no deficiencies. This was through blood chemistry analysis, not RDA recommended values. All values were WNL. Now that being said, if one is concerned about it, a simple multi vitamin is easily obtained, but probably not necessary. Also, its not totally inappropriate to add a few oz of fish, chicken or lean meat to the diet/day, if still concerned. But then its not really vegan. But to each his or her own. The benefits of a vegan or near vegan diet certainly outweigh the rather insignificant risks, particularly when discussing the relation to degenerative cardiovascular disease, diabetes, hypertension and certain forms of cancer.
Sage, please tell us from what medical school did your graduate from? I know you didn't go to medical school. What was your undergrad degree in? I know it wasn't in the biological sciences let alone in math or physics.
"Men in Japan, despite smoking much more than American men, and despite higher cholesterol and blood pressure, have a rate of heart disease 70% lower than American men." (also 75% of the cancer incidence, and about half the diabetes rate)
http://roguehealthandfitness.com/why-japanese-men-have-far-less-heart-disease/
1. " Eat fish and/or supplement with fish oil. In Japan, the category with the lowest risk ate fish 8 times a week, or an average of 180 grams (more than a third of a pound) daily. That meant a consumption of omega-3 fats of 2.1 grams daily, or the equivalent of about 2 teaspoons of cod liver oil. That’s a lot, but I take one teaspoon of cod liver oil several times a week, and I’m now going to increase that to every day.
2. Avoid sugar in all forms. No sodas, fruit juice, candy, donuts — you get the idea. Small amounts, such as teaspoon in a cup of coffee, probably won’t do much harm.
3. Avoid trans fats. That pretty much eliminates processed food, as well as margarine, mayonnaise, vegetable oils. Eat whole, unprocessed food.
4.Get sunshine and/or supplement with vitamin D. I take 5,000 IU daily, less in summer when I get sun exposure. (That’s higher than mainstream medicine recommends, by the way.)
5.Control your iron levels. Keep ferritin below 100.
6.Stay lean. Don’t be overweight."
#1,2 and 3 are probably the biggest and most important challenges for most of us as runners. Modern fruit, even in whole form, is basically another form of concentrated sugar and should be reduced or avoided for the most part. Carbs are best taken from tubers or white rice.
Vegetarian and veganism are poorly studied over long-term, but are likely inferior at least to a pescatarian diet.
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