Increasing of the amount of people quiting veganism: (formerly the vegan runner on YouTube has quit veganism)

I’m not saying the human body cant eat any meat...no doubt our cecum may have evolved (shrunk) because of an ominviore diet.

Our GI tract is also a lot like many plant eaters (and certainly not like carnivores).

Again “keto” is simply a starvation /survival mechanism. Times has changed though. We are facing expontential human population growth and climated change. We can farm more efficiently.

All these low carb hight fat diets seem more like modern “fad diets”.

Veganism has been going on for hundreds of years. Tubers, corn, rice, beans, nuts, fruits has sustained human life.

How many 80 year olds do you know who were born and raised 100% “low carb keto diet”.? There are many old and healthy born and raised vegetrains out there nowadays.

In regrards to sustainability again beef is one of the most polluting and inefficient sources of food.

All I’m saying is most people can be healthy on a plant based vegan diet....long term.

Why is the human stomach PH more like that of a carnivore than that of a "herbivore"? Why didn't the Inuit and Maasai waist away? And don't pull "oh those are just YouTube videos." The ones by Frank Tufano links studies to back his claim.

I’ll also say one can be healthy and run well on an ominovore’s diet...generally that still has a substantial amount of carbs from vegetables and fruits. I cant think of a single fast distance runner that is totally “low carb keto”...

Sorry for all the typos. I typed this out walking across an airport.

Okay this is my last post in here.

Again the Massai live to be like 40 years old...like the Innuits they are also not healthy.

You keep trying to counter with these little “biology tidbits.” I can do that all day as well:

Look at our dull teeth (compare them to a dog’s or any carnivores). Our jaw is also quite weak and evolved to grind/chew more like herbivores.

Obviously in evolution we survived on some meat at times...people would eat ANYTHING they could find/hunt/grow/scavenge. Life was short and tough back then. People died way before they had to worry about getting cancer and heart disease. We also werent polluting/overpopulating the Earth and raising cows and pigs and chickens on a mass scale.

S. Canaday wrote:

Okay this is my last post in here.

Again the Massai live to be like 40 years old...like the Innuits they are also not healthy.

You keep trying to counter with these little “biology tidbits.” I can do that all day as well:

Look at our dull teeth (compare them to a dog’s or any carnivores). Our jaw is also quite weak and evolved to grind/chew more like herbivores.

Obviously in evolution we survived on some meat at times...people would eat ANYTHING they could find/hunt/grow/scavenge. Life was short and tough back then. People died way before they had to worry about getting cancer and heart disease. We also werent polluting/overpopulating the Earth and raising cows and pigs and chickens on a mass scale.

The Inuit and Maasai only on averaged to 40 due to infant mortality and injury. Since you know they had a tougher life.

Our teeth and jaw are meant to eat meat. We chew our food up and down. We don't grind our food side to side like some ruminant. We do not have dull teeth. As they can easily tear meat. We can easily eat raw meat. In fact, it is much easier to eat raw meat than it is to eat vegetables.

A distance runner who was much better than you at the 100-mi distance is low-carb .... Mr. Tim Olson

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/16dulc/ultramarathon_runner_timothy_olson_thrives_on_a/

Most importantly, we do not digest cellulose. Herbivores can. Carnivores cannot digest cellulose.

S. Canaday wrote:

Look at our dull teeth (compare them to a dog’s or any carnivores). Our jaw is also quite weak and evolved to grind/chew more like herbivores.

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Sage: "Our teeth can't eat meat."

Some German guy: hold my beer.

steak does the body good wrote:

YouKnowTheTruthDeepDown wrote:

I dont need to since you can't even find 1 low carber as fast as vegan dude so you lose by default.

Zach Bitter is faster than Sage at hundred milers. You loose by default looser.

Zach Bitter is impressive. So far he appears to be an anomaly as a very high fat, very high meat consumption low carb ultra champion. But even he eats a lot of carbs during a race. So much for it being "poison", right? I mean "poison" shouldn't be able to play a major part in fueling you to a 100 mile AR, right?

But as far as playing the my diet guy can beat your diet guy game, what about these straight up vegan, or vegetarian/nearly vegetarian (eat no meat or rarely eat meat), HIGH CARB ultra-runners, who have subsisted on diets of at least 95% or higher plant foods, and who have had careers or recent performances at least as good as Bitter, or better than his career, or beaten him head to head recently.

[B}Yiannis Kourous-

the KING of ultra-running. I have read several sources that claimed he ate no meat, and while possibly not vegan, was a "strict vegetarian." A huge preponderance of his calories came from NON-ANIMAL nutrition. "NO read meat."

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Scott Jurek-

Strict Vegan. If you NEED meat to be strong and healthy, and all those plant foods he ate don't contain available nutrients or protein...then HOW did he accomplish all of this??

Accomplishments

Held United States record for 24-hour distance on all surfaces (165.7 miles/266.01 kilometers) from 2010 to 2012.

Won the Spartathlon 153-mile (246 km) race from Athens to Sparta, Greece three consecutive times (2006–2008).

Won the Hardrock Hundred Mile Endurance Run (2007), and held the record time for one year until Kyle Skaggs set a new record in 2008.

Won the Western States Endurance Run seven consecutive times (1999–2005), and held the record time (15:36:27 in 2004) until 2010

Won the Badwater Ultramarathon twice (2005, 2006), and held the course record for two years (2005).

Finished first three times (2002–2004) and second three times (2001, 2005, 2006) in the Miwok 100K Trail Race.

Won the Leona Divide 50 Mile Run [fr] four times (2000, 2001, 2002, 2004).

Won the Diez Vista 50K Trail Run twice (2000, 2003).

Won the Montrail Ultra Cup series twice (2002, 2003).

Selected as UltraRunning Magazine's North American Male Ultrarunner of the Year in 2003, 2004, 2005, and 2007.

Set the speed record for completing the Appalachian Trail (approx. 2,200 miles) by speed hiking the whole trail in 46 days, 8 hours, and 7 minutes in 2015.[26][27]

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Jim Walmsley

Who has been THE BEST ultra runner around the last couple of years (2016 and 2017 Ultra runner of the year??). He is a vegetarian that does NOT EAT MEAT. (yes he consumes dairy , but by and large his is a plant based, high carb diet. NO MEAT)

His 2017 accomplishments-

2017 Race Results

Race Time Place

UTMB (France) 20:11:38 5

Tarawera (New Zealand) 7:23:32 1

Gorge Waterfalls 8:20:08 1

Speedgoat 5:04:55 1

Flagstaff Grand Canyon 4:17:00 1

2018, set Western states record. He has had many more big wins

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Kilian Jornet

One of the greatest ultra-endurance athletes ever (when you consider the combination and variety of his accomplishments)-

"At home we try to find produce that is natural and I don't eat much meat, maybe two times a month - my mother is a vegetarian. " So, not a vegan, not a strict vegetarian, but one who clearly gets the huge majority of his nutrition from plant foods, and only very occasionally eats meat.

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Rob Krar

One of the top Ultra Runners of last decade. Doesn't..... eat... meat.

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Our very own Sage Canaday , whose accomplishments so many of you seem to not respect, hasn't eaten meat in a looooong time and has been 98-100% for the last several years-

Career Highlights:

2- Time US Olympic Trials Qualifier in the Marathon (2008, 2012)

3-Time USATF National Champion (Mountain ’12, Trail 100km ’13 , Trail Marathon ’15)

2-time Tarawera 100km Champion in New Zealand (2013 and 2014)

3-time Speedgoat 50km Champion

2-time Runner-up: International “SkyRunning” Series (2013, 2014)

2-time Lake Sonoma 50-mile Champion (2013 and 2017)

Youngest Competitor at 2008 US Olympic Trials Marathon (age 21)

16th Place at Boston Marathon in 2:19:12 (2015)

17th place at Chicago Marathon in 2:19:18 (2010)

Course Record: White River 50 miler: 6:16 (2012)

1st place Mt. Washington Hill Climb: 58:27 (2012)

1st place at 2014 Pikes Peak Ascent World Long Distance Mountain Challenge (2:10)

1st place, The North Face 50-mile Championships (2014)

8th place at USATF National Marathon Championships at LA Marathon (12th overall in 2:20).. (2015)

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YES, but despite all of that, we should listen to the paleo trolls on here who say:

"Carbs are poison! Most plants foods have anti-nutrients that block absorption of vitamins, minerals and protein. Our ancestors ate a LOT of MEAT. You NEED to EAT MEAT REGULARLY to be in top shape, healthy, and a good athlete. "

Completely made-up nonsense. And the above runners prove me correct.

What a moran Sage is. Shows the effects of a low-nutrient diet.

The human dentition and gut are almost identical to wolf/dog, except the canines, which are of no need since Homo habilis started using stone tools 2.8 million years ago to break open large animal bones to get the marrow, and later to kill and butcher the kill. Our guts are 33% smaller than any other ape, and our brains are 33% larger. This is the result of the shift from foraging omnivore to social carnivore. Our brains are way too large and expensive for an herbivore. The closest animal to our own encephalization quotient is the dolphin, another social carnivore which eats...exclusively meat.

You can pursue your plant munching ways for the sake of an imaginary moral superiority, just like the Aztecs sacrificed humans to placate their morally superior gods, but in terms of health and evolution human herbivory is a DEAD END. You mock the Inuit and Massai, who have lived well for millenia in the harshest environments on Earth, yet where are your long-surviving vegan societies? Oh, poop, they were all dead-ends and went extinct within a generation, just like all fad diets.

"We don't need meat"

Usain Bolt: Hold my beer.

http://time.com/3912896/usain-bolt-chicken-mcnuggets-olympics/

Former WS100 Record Holder? wrote:

A distance runner who was much better than you at the 100-mi distance is low-carb .... Mr. Tim Olson

Not a great example.

A) he has said:

"I do believe carbs are an important part of an athlete’s diet, and the carbs I do ingest are consumed strategically to get the best out of my training, racing and recovery. Just because I don’t eat lots of grains does not mean I don’t get plenty of carbs. All the carbohydrates I require for training and racing can be found in vegetables, sweet potatoes, gels, nut butters, green smoothies (with berries) and an occasional gluten-free beer, corn-tortilla pizza or other treat after a hard day’s work.

Doesn't seem like a really low carb guy.

"PLENTY of carbs"

"carbs are an important part of an athlete’s diet."

Eats a lot of sweet potatoes.

Hmmmmm....

And

B) if he really is as low-carb as you say, not the best poster boy for the movement, because after one great year, his body broke down, and he could no longer handle heavy training and racing and did nothing for years. He seems to finally be coming back, but maybe low carb was not good for him. He's had none of the longevity/consistency of many of the high carb/vegetarian / non-meat eating athletes I posted about. Not even close.

And I notice Bitter's been very up and down the last few years too. Maybe the low carb /keto diet is just not sustainable in the long run for health and recovery.

YMMV,

Look, give it up old man, give it up. That idiotic post was soooo obviously yours. So sad you can't post under one anonymous name. Embarrassing.

Sage is an actual champion at distance running. He's won many big races. You??? LOL! You are a champion at following fad diets and speaking out of your a$$. Congrats!

Many societies have lived extreme healthy lives on VERY HIGH carb, VERY HIGH plant-fueled diets, with **very** little meat. That smidgen of meat might have staved of b12 deficiency, but it wasn't what made them healthy. They could have replaced it with a vitamin pill of they lived in a modern world.

As I already mentioned, the tarahumara ate very little meat, and still didn't have b12 deficiencies (they likely got some from un-purified water and veggies in fertilizer). Corn, beans, and veggies. Very high carb. Barely any meat. Very low fat. Extremely healthy and great athletes. Moreso than the intuit, who ACTUALLY had reasonably high levels of heart disease (thanks for the myth, by the way)-

Grow up, and learn something while you still have time (on your high meat diet, your life expectancy is probably only a decade)

Ultrarunner of the year for 2018 will possibly will go to Jeff Browning, low-carb, low-key, smart AF and fully fat-adapted.

http://primalendurance.libsyn.com/46-jeff-browning

Everyone argues about macros and meat v. vegan when it is meal timing that trumps all. Just like kids and neophytes who get all worked up about mileage and workouts when it is much more about consistency, recovery and smart racing.

Arguing what running star eats what is a waste of time. These guys are all genetic outliers training massive miles with a singular mission. The rest of us (hopefully) have other long-term goals and tradeoffs in terms of health and happiness. I know that a Formula One car is a superior piece of engineering, but I would not want to use one to commute or do a road trip. Make your choices, place your bets, and I'll be waiting for you all, grinning at the finish line.

dude who cares? obviously you want to eat meat, then do it. some people don't, why is that such a big deal to you?

halfway vegan wrote:

dude who cares? obviously you want to eat meat, then do it. some people don't, why is that such a big deal to you?

Just trying to warn people of what will happen. I was vegan for four years. Now since I've looked pass the vegan propaganda I realized all the lies I believed. This BS that vegans/plant based community is spewing cannot go unchecked anymore.

Hi sage wrote:

Why is the human stomach PH more like that of a carnivore than that of a "herbivore"? Why didn't the Inuit and Maasai waist away? And don't pull "oh those are just YouTube videos." The ones by Frank Tufano links studies to back his claim.

The Inuit are a fascinating case. After only a few thousand of years up there (they're not an ancient people), most of them have an otherwise extremely rare genetic trait that keeps them from going into ketosis. Meaning that long-term ketosis was apparently so detrimental to survival that those who did go into ketosis tended to die.

YMMV wrote:

Ultrarunner of the year for 2018 will possibly will go to Jeff Browning, low-carb, low-key, smart AF and fully fat-adapted.

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Arguing what running star eats what is a waste of time.

So why tell us about Jeff Browning?

He does eat carbs, btw, just not as much as most. And he sucks down loads of sugar gels during races.

He's great and deserves ultrarunner of the year. I've listened to him on several podcasts and I like him, but he does have a tendency toward getting into faddish woo.