Sand Dunes wrote:
Joe Jackson wrote:
Phantasy Star wrote:
Eventually their bodies break down due to lack of sufficient nutrients -- B12, iron, protein, omega-3s...
Please describe this mythical vegan diet that is not deficient in calories yet is somehow protein deficient. Something a reasonable adult might eat (i.e. not 2000 calories worth of soda).
If a vegetarian (one who still cosumes fish) is not getting enough of those other nutrients, they aren’t trying very hard.
If a vegan isn’t, they need to try a little harder.
There’s no guarantee a non-vegan diet gets enough iron, B12, or omega 3s either, and it is very likely it doesn’t include enough fiber.
I am not a vegetarian or vegan BTW.
1. Plant based proteins are as bioavailable as animal protein.
2. It's hard to get the amount of protien we actually need. Despite vegan claims we only need 5-10% of our daily calories from protein. While yes you can get by on that little amount. It is not optimal.
⬆Looks good on paper. There are some "Vegan/Vegetarians" who can make it with Endurance (Rich Roll) but he's also a NY times bestseller and his Diet is his business so he has a lot more Greens than just Spinach. For myself and hopefully this helps a lot of LRer's my diet consisted of:
2.) 24oz bag spinach and/or Kale per week
3.) 1 tub Yogurt/week
4.) Half Cottage cheese tub/week
5.) Loaf Bread 1-1.5 weeks
6.) 5-6 oranges/8-10 Bananas/8-10apples/ week
7.) Stick of Butter every other week
8.) Bowl oatmeal or cereal/ 5/week
9.) Red Meat 1x week 7-8oz.
This is more or less my average diet. I am a Master's Runner avg 50-60/week with an active job lifting/up/down stairs only sitting an average of 2hr/day. I haven't really thought about my bonking or weakness on runs just attributed to the daily grind however looking over my diet with a Nutritionist I wasn't lacking Iron but my system wasn't, the like many Vegans using the Non-Heme Iron. To conclude I started supplementing every other day with a B complex/Iron Glycinate I saw a few gains in Ferritin...But because of the "Water Retention/bloated feeling from Iron I dropped and replaced with 20oz/Beef Liver/week and Whey Protein it was at this point I didn't feel "Flat" and the Ferritin went up over 10+ in 1 month.
So the "Bioavailability of Plant nutrients Vs Animal" is certainly dependent upon one's system. My body (lab and literally) was not responding to non-heme plant iron Or elemental Iron Glycinate. I'm not an anti meat/ or anti plant I'm just Pro-what works. I actually just had a Wheat grass smoothie but later had a Steak...