Bacon tho
Bacon tho
Bacon tho
Bacon tho
This guy looks like the typical letsrun basement dweller.
Runner 247 wrote:
This guy looks like the typical letsrun basement dweller.
Considering the lack of the usual vegans posting on any diet threads, I wonder if he was one of the main vegan trolls on LRC.
every day wrote:
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Damn, that baby is JACKED! A little white LeBron.
Thanks for posting Sage! Apparently yes Butter is Worth it! Hormonal levels went way up, Testosterone up/ Cortisol down. which as any endocrinologist knows is completely relative to recovery making the miles count. You did a great job outlining supplements in your videos and how as a runner one would want to be at a Ferritin above 50.
If a hard-working blue collar runner like myself goes in for a $500+ full panel blood test and sees a ferritin at 40 and on the lower end for B12, B9, and Testosterone then I know it's Full Send (so the hipsters say) on the thing (Carnivore) I haven't gone all in on. As just a working Joe Master ranks runner having a stable red blood cell production is crucial along with an animal protein to offset my manual labor job. So apparently the cholesterol in butter helps my testosterone production(at 40+!) And the heme iron, carnivore amino acids help my RBC production. It's not for debate that's just the Plant base blood lab compared to Carnivore focused. Is your diet working or thriving? As far as the bigger environmental picture I just bought 2lbs of chicken and beef liver 4lbs total for $6.
In the sedentary media, social media areas that's great plant based can survive. There is another world though where 100lb buffers need to be carried up 10+flights of stairs(elevator was out) or erector sets for 200ft high buildings need to be done before the foreman gets back and if your coming off a 12 miler from the night before you have to be strong and motivated courtesy of the blessed animals your blood recognizes and works with And yes the additional trace minerals from the WheatGrass, Broccoli, Kale, greens etc.
There are always two sides...
**Yeah Bacon!! Actually use that as a base layer on the grill when cooking livers
Joe Jackson wrote:
If a vegetarian (one who still cosumes fish)
A vegetarian does not consume fish.
That is a pescatarian.
Two different things, two different diets.
While I totally agree with to the notion that protein is overrated (I have never been below my recommended protein/day on days when I eat entirely plant-based meals as long as it is calorie balanced and not entirely comprised of booze and candy when I have kept track out of curiosity) and sympathetic to the environmental impacts of and moral issues with meat, especially regarding cattle production and factory farming, while veganism is workable for many, it may not be ideal for everyone. As a women, we are much more prone to low iron and low ferritin than men and I know of many women distance runners who have struggled with anemia or low ferritin when they cut out meat (I realize that the vegan diet works well for your wife Sandi, but I'm sure there individual variability there). There's also some evidence that adequate dietary fat (including sparing animal fats) can help with hormone production at very lean body weights and stave off amenorrhea and associated stress fracture issues (at least people like Shalane Flanagan, Paula Radcliffe, and Camille Herron claim this is true for them as well as several women-specific registered sports dietitians).
I personally feel much better if I keep eating meat, especially red meat 1-2x a week, and during peak training the craving for foods rich in animal-derived heme iron is much stronger. I have never had issues with anemia or low ferritin and I am fairly injury resistant, so I think my body is telling me something that is worth listening to. I don't think people need to go overboard (a serving of steak is pretty small, especially for 110 lb woman like me), and I think the keto trend is stupid and unscientific. I also think you can have a diet primarily based on plant based foods (and carbohydrates) without being 100% vegan. I definitely go entire meals or entire days without eating meat or even animal products, but my recovery and energy levels are better with a small amount meat incorporated. I do think given the issues with healthy levels of body fat, hormone production, and iron levels specific to women, for many (not all) women sustaining higher training loads, the choice to have a vegan diet can potentially have larger ramifications on health than for most men.
As for the environmental impacts, I feel guilty, but I also have not stopped riding in airplanes which are far worse for carbon emissions, I try to eat high quality grass fed local meat when possible, and I try to keep the serving sizes reasonable.
A lady here wrote:
I also think you can have a diet primarily based on plant based foods (and carbohydrates) without being 100% vegan. I definitely go entire meals or entire days without eating meat or even animal products, but my recovery and energy levels are better with a small amount meat incorporated.
True that. "Reducetarianism" will ultimately yield the best results in terms of public health and environmental improvement. Many people are turned away from veganism due to the dogmatic assumption that they need to go 100% or not even bother. If everyone in the world went 90% plant-based, we would save tremendous amounts of $ in healthcare costs, live longer, improve our athleticism, vastly reduce carbon dioxide and methane emissions, and save many animal lives.
Reduce wrote:
A lady here wrote:
I also think you can have a diet primarily based on plant based foods (and carbohydrates) without being 100% vegan. I definitely go entire meals or entire days without eating meat or even animal products, but my recovery and energy levels are better with a small amount meat incorporated.
True that. "Reducetarianism" will ultimately yield the best results in terms of public health and environmental improvement. Many people are turned away from veganism due to the dogmatic assumption that they need to go 100% or not even bother. If everyone in the world went 90% plant-based, we would save tremendous amounts of $ in healthcare costs, live longer, improve our athleticism, vastly reduce carbon dioxide and methane emissions, and save many animal lives.
The environmental impact has been greatly overblown by vegan propaganda. And, as far as the health care impact of food. It would do the same thing if people stop eating junk food. Which do you think has a worse impact on someones health: refined flour/sugar, and vegetable oil or some meat?
vegan propaganda wrote:
Reduce wrote:
True that. "Reducetarianism" will ultimately yield the best results in terms of public health and environmental improvement. Many people are turned away from veganism due to the dogmatic assumption that they need to go 100% or not even bother. If everyone in the world went 90% plant-based, we would save tremendous amounts of $ in healthcare costs, live longer, improve our athleticism, vastly reduce carbon dioxide and methane emissions, and save many animal lives.
The environmental impact has been greatly overblown by vegan propaganda. And, as far as the health care impact of food. It would do the same thing if people stop eating junk food. Which do you think has a worse impact on someones health: refined flour/sugar, and vegetable oil or some meat?
Red meat consumption has declined in the U.S. during the entire obesity epidemic. What little meat people are getting of course is usually horrible factory-farmed, but is still more nutritious than the fries, cokes and breads they consume with it.
The biomass of cows in the U.S. is far less than the game they supplanted from 500 years ago. Yet smoenhow they magically they are the villains in "climate change". More complete and udder bullsh!t.
This isn't going be that scientific, just a fun little exercise.
1950s breakfast:
1980s breakfast:
Notice a change? In 1960 the average male weighed about 160 ibs and the average woman weighed about 130 ibs. The average height since than has stayed about the same, now the average woman weighs 160 ibs and the average male weighs almost 200 ibs.
Sand Dunes wrote:
While yes you can get protien on a vegan diet. One, it is hard to get enough of it.
No, it's not. Let's compare two staples of a omnivore/carnivore diet and a vegan diet:
Beef (15% fat) - 100 gram serving, 250 kcal, 26 grams of protein:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beef#Nutrition_and_healthSoy beans - 100 gram serving, 446 kcal, 36.5 grams of protein:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soybean#NutritionOn a per kcal basis, beef nets me 0.104 grams of protein vs. 0.082 for soy beans, a ~20% difference. So instead of washing down my burger with a 20 oz. Coke, I eat some additional real food to make up for the difference.
Sand Dunes wrote:Two, it is not as bioavailable.
And how does this matter in the real world?
YMMV wrote:
every day wrote:
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Alert USADA! He’s clearly DOPED TO THE GILLS!
Joe Jackson wrote:
Sand Dunes wrote:
While yes you can get protien on a vegan diet. One, it is hard to get enough of it.
No, it's not. Let's compare two staples of a omnivore/carnivore diet and a vegan diet:
Beef (15% fat) - 100 gram serving, 250 kcal, 26 grams of protein:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beef#Nutrition_and_healthSoy beans - 100 gram serving, 446 kcal, 36.5 grams of protein:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soybean#NutritionOn a per kcal basis, beef nets me 0.104 grams of protein vs. 0.082 for soy beans, a ~20% difference. So instead of washing down my burger with a 20 oz. Coke, I eat some additional real food to make up for the difference.
Sand Dunes wrote:Two, it is not as bioavailable.
And how does this matter in the real world?
I know the vegans/plant base people will get mad at me for using this source. But this is a really good article to illustrate how much more one has to eat to get the same amount of protein in plants vs beef.
https://www.beefitswhatsfordinner.com/nutrition/beef-nutrientsSand Dunes wrote:
I know the vegans/plant base people will get mad at me for using this source. But this is a really good article to illustrate how much more one has to eat to get the same amount of protein in plants vs beef.
https://www.beefitswhatsfordinner.com/nutrition/beef-nutrients
Tofu:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tofu#Nutrition_and_healthTempeh:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempeh#NutritionBoth beat beef in grams of protein per calorie.
Joe Jackson wrote:
Sand Dunes wrote:
I know the vegans/plant base people will get mad at me for using this source. But this is a really good article to illustrate how much more one has to eat to get the same amount of protein in plants vs beef.
https://www.beefitswhatsfordinner.com/nutrition/beef-nutrientsTofu:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tofu#Nutrition_and_healthTempeh:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempeh#NutritionBoth beat beef in grams of protein per calorie.
Does it have the same bioavailability? Who cares how much protein is in a food if you can't absorb it.
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