invested parents wrote:
Private coach, nutritionist, strength coach, parents are all in. Super talented kid, too much to soon.
Yeah like Mary Decker. What a short career she had
invested parents wrote:
Private coach, nutritionist, strength coach, parents are all in. Super talented kid, too much to soon.
Yeah like Mary Decker. What a short career she had
Hounddogharrier wrote:
Hounddogharrier Who? wrote:
That is total bullish*t. Do you even run? She ran her butt off and worked hard the entire race. The only thing missing is if she had to kick. You saying she'll be running the trials is a given and anyone with any sense already knew that---another stealth gloat? How ridiculous. No competition? She won by 16 or 17 seconds, give it a rest. You must have no life, that I'm sure of.
I have to laugh at morons like you. What do you have aspirations to have a sports show on the radio ? Chemiel is a major talent - could go pro right now - and she is the only girl who can keep close to her. Races are over by the 400 meter mark. And the women’s 5k is soft by USA standards. Exactly one woman broke 15 this year. Shelby Houlihan is a lock, no doubt , then , IMHO, it is a battle between KT and Schweiser for 2 and 3, with Allie O in the mix if you switches from steeple to 5k. All the American superstars - Jenny S., Coburn, Flanagan, Freichs, Des, Ajee, Molly H and Gwen J - are locked in other events. If you have seen her run in person you realize she is light years ahead of the High school competition.
A fine run from Chemeil to finish second. Good for her.
However she is getting kudos for being only 17 seconds behind a younger Tuohey, who was under no pressure tot he line.
And if you look at the splits, Tuohey was pulling away all the way to the finish. She added 3 seconds in the last mile alone.
Get a grip. I hope she has a long successful career. But get a grip.
She will probably go to Georgetown.
oboeviolin wrote:
invested parents wrote:
Private coach, nutritionist, strength coach, parents are all in. Super talented kid, too much to soon.
Yeah like Mary Decker. What a short career she had
Yea, and Mary Cain, oops.
Kt 2020 wrote:
https://nxn.runnerspace.com/eprofile.php?event_id=13&do=videos&video_id=256386Katelyn Tuohy says 2020 Olympic trials is a major focus for her. She says she wants to race 1500 but given her stride and talent she is better suited for 5000m. What do you think she could run. Assuming no burn out, where do you see her progress going. Could she possibly go to Tokyo?
ok. wanna see my shocked face?
Kt 2020 wrote:
https://nxn.runnerspace.com/eprofile.php?event_id=13&do=videos&video_id=256386Katelyn Tuohy says 2020 Olympic trials is a major focus for her. She says she wants to race 1500 but given her stride and talent she is better suited for 5000m. What do you think she could run. Assuming no burn out, where do you see her progress going. Could she possibly go to Tokyo?
Great news for peedos.
Runnerchx44 wrote:
Good point about Cain. In fact, has any HS distance phenom who went pro instead of college actually done well? I cannot think of any.
I would say Ajee Wilson has done well. Efraimson has done ok, but I thought at the time both her and Cain's decision to go Pro were made with the thought of qualifying for 2016. Neither one did.
And to the comment about "burn out" not existing. I guess you are technically correct, burn out isn't a condition that can be tested for, neither is over training. But those things you listed all contribute to someone not being as good or as fast as they used to be. If there are steps that can be taken now to avoid that from happening they should be made.
When I would complain about Cain the 2 main arguments were "Strike while the iron is hot" and "maybe she won't event want to run later so might as well do it now". My thought then as it is now is that striking while the iron is hot is what caused the decline AND there is no way that as a 16 year old making the decision to go pro that Cain's goals were to be washed out of the sport within 5 years after having minimal success. Sure no one can say if things could have turned out different, but look at our current pros. Most weren't crazy studs in HS, they didn't race a ton in HS or chase records, some of them weren't even insane studs in college. But just years of steady improvement lead to better fitness and being strong mentally.
So why not go pro, focus on the trials but with a long term approach? Well that's what Mary Cain tried. There is a big difference between being a Pro athlete and a College athlete. When you are a Pro every single time you race which is rare you are expecting yourself to run faster than the last time. Any bump in the road gets magnified. If you have a season where you aren't as fast it's all you think about. Compared to if some of these mega-talents went to College, they would win a ton, even if they didn't run their personal records they would be winning or contending to win. There would be something to be positive about. They would likely also get the chance to race more distances. All of this is taking place in a much less pressure filled situation. Obviously finding a good coach and school are vital in that, but it is the best route for American teenagers to get to the next level in 1500 and up.
She will go pro after track. Anybody who mentions olympics instead of college choices has made up mind. She will be running 15:10 over the next 2-5 years earning $50k per year.
She has NO private coach...her coaches at NR have done very well by her.
Villanova would be the perfect choice.
Zero "direct to pro" mid/long distance success stories for girls. Why try that?
Even though Georgetown and Villanova may be better choices than Oregon or Stanford, I still think that following her brother to a good university ($52K tuition + $18K lodging) with a low key track program may be the better choice.
Tctddtcfrtrt wrote:
Zero "direct to pro" mid/long distance success stories for girls. Why try that?
Even though Georgetown and Villanova may be better choices than Oregon or Stanford, I still think that following her brother to a good university ($52K tuition + $18K lodging) with a low key track program may be the better choice.
Fordham is not the place for a girl with this level of talent.
The coach at Fordham could let her continue what she is doing now. He won't have to try to fit her into his program. She is obviously heads and shoulders above the rest, so there will be no controversy here.
She will not be running come 2020. Burn out is imminent.
Wisconsin
Tuohy was in shape to run about 15:05 for 5000 give or take 10 seconds at her peak this season. Then her knee flared up and she came back down to about 15:30s for 5000 shape.
She's still very young looking, so it's difficult to tell what will happen in the next year or so, but I would never bet against her. Her stride and body type is such that she would blend right in with international talent.
Sarah Baxter,
Kate Murphy,
Elise Cranny,
Agree! Running for a University is great!
Pro coming wrote:
She will go pro after track. Anybody who mentions olympics instead of college choices has made up mind. She will be running 15:10 over the next 2-5 years earning $50k per year.
She’s already said she wants to go to college and not go pro. She didn’t mention the Olympics, they asked her about it specifically and she said yes, they didn’t ask about college. Also the two aren’t mutually exclusive. Allie O ran olympic trials while at college and Molly Seidel qualified but was injured. I’m sure there were others too I just can’t think of
They will be nervous after Cain but they have enough money to take a risk. They will probably offer her 5 years at $100k with college included which will be hard to pass up.
sillyman wrote:
Indoor? wrote:
Wow, this is sad.
I hope I’m wrong but in my mind just even considering this is probably going to hasten the burn out. Someone needs to help her with some patience. She is running absolutely fantastic right now but she is also a girl. At some point in the next 2 years her body is going to change, she can get through this but there is going to be a period where she doesn’t progress and maybe even regresses. How is she going to get through this time period if she also has the pressure of trying to hit the times needed to be going to the trials, or working hard enough to get this. This is 100% crash and burn waiting to happen. She needs to calm down, enjoy high school, go to college, enjoy doing well there while improving all aspects and aim for 2024.
I said this about Cain and a lot of people got mad. We can get mad but it’d be in her best interest if someone were real with her. Certain things are just part of nature, trying to ignore that is only hurtful in the long run.
Like burnt out Lagat?
There is no such thing as burn out. There is injury, boredom and the end of talent. People mature and move on.
You may be right, but you're also playing a semantics game here. Then again, you may actually be wrong and too much stress too soon could cause a shortening of telomere length or something of that sort, which could be aptly described as "burn out".
I get what you're saying though and agree that the term burn out is generally used when something can't be explained with much precision. With Tuohy, boredom and the "end of talent" are probably her two most likely hurdles in the future. Already you see her facial expression in the interviews she does and she looks so over it all. Hopefully it's just the interviews that she's tired of, not the actual act of running.
