Why ate students being told to pursue STEM? These fields are miserable!

Would you rather make money and hate your job or be happy at work and poor at home

winnr1 wrote:

Would you rather make money and hate your job or be happy at work and poor at home

The latter.

Elite STEM jobs are unbeatable - mid to high six figures, stock options, abiity to WFH or remotely, respect of peers and family. I'm talking about your Google/Facebook/Netflix/Amazon/AirBnB senior developer or team lead. Basically, the top 1% of the profession.

Middling STEM jobs suck - 50k-80k depending on location, boring scutwork, no respect, tenuous job security, have to take crap from MBA turds. Sadly, this is what 90% of STEM jobs look like.

sub_3_is_the_goal wrote:

winnr1 wrote:

Would you rather make money and hate your job or be happy at work and poor at home

The latter.

He was asking the OP, not you, jackass. Go back to your sub-3 threads.

mind your own businsess wrote:

sub_3_is_the_goal wrote:

The latter.

He was asking the OP, not you, jackass. Go back to your sub-3 threads.

Actually it was just a rhetorical question. No need for the harsh response my dude

antiSTEMitic wrote:

Engineering- crappy money. Sit in a cubicle. MBAs tell you what to do. It’s not “creative”.

Medicine- protocol driven. Very little thinking. Customer service is more important than outcomes. MHAs tell you what to do.

Lab sciences- are you serious? Gulag - esque. So bad.

Why not pursue thoughtful things? STEM is a grind in which there is very little respect for it’s technicians. The world treats their IPhones better thank they treat iPhone engineers.

So what are the "thoughtful things" students should be pursuing for satisfying and prosperous careers?

winnr1 wrote:

Would you rather make money and hate your job or be happy at work and poor at home

happy and poor....no question

By the way, in German it seems like many of their companies are run by engineers and not by MBAs, Lawyers or accountants. Even the government is run by a STEM. I think Merkel has a phd in chemistry or something.

easy question wrote:

winnr1 wrote:

Would you rather make money and hate your job or be happy at work and poor at home

happy and poor....no question

are you poor and happy?

i'd rather be happy and rich.

being poor does not make you happy, although some people seem to think this

Welcome to adulthood. Create your happiness.

John Utah wrote:

By the way, in German it seems like many of their companies are run by engineers and not by MBAs, Lawyers or accountants. Even the government is run by a STEM. I think Merkel has a phd in chemistry or something.

That's because Germany is basically a high-IQ autism collective, no time for MBA shennanigans.

osaka wrote:

John Utah wrote:

By the way, in German it seems like many of their companies are run by engineers and not by MBAs, Lawyers or accountants. Even the government is run by a STEM. I think Merkel has a phd in chemistry or something.

That's because Germany is basically a high-IQ autism collective, no time for MBA shennanigans.

LOL

Students are being told to pursue STEM fields because there is a false belief that you can only extract ROI out of college if you major in one of these fields. It's misleading, wrong, and ultimately detrimental to the student. Students should major in whatever they find interesting (except women's studies of course, that's ridiculous).

John Utah wrote:

By the way, in German it seems like many of their companies are run by engineers and not by MBAs, Lawyers or accountants. Even the government is run by a STEM. I think Merkel has a phd in chemistry or something.

Merkel does indeed have a PhD in quantum chemistry. The German system isn’t bad, as there are many possibilities toward a career path. For those who didn’t make the cut, or who don’t want to study in the highly theory-driven University system, they can do an apprenticeship—many of which are highly valued and have good earning potential. The figure is not sky-high of course, but it’s more than enough to live a comfortable life in Germany.

osaka wrote:

John Utah wrote:

By the way, in German it seems like many of their companies are run by engineers and not by MBAs, Lawyers or accountants. Even the government is run by a STEM. I think Merkel has a phd in chemistry or something.

That's because Germany is basically a high-IQ autism collective, no time for MBA shennanigans.

Most people are pretty ordinary actually. Many take their jobs seriously and try to be as competent as possible, but there of course those who are functionally retarded.

sfasdfsdfsdf wrote:

Students are being told to pursue STEM fields because there is a false belief that you can only extract ROI out of college if you major in one of these fields. It's misleading, wrong, and ultimately detrimental to the student. Students should major in whatever they find interesting (except women's studies of course, that's ridiculous).

That's some galactically bad advice right there, unless you're going to expand that exception list by a lot.

And you don't have to go to college and pay a FORTUNE to do so if you just want to explore things that interest you. The world is at your fingertips for that path and it's practically free if that's what you want to do....and 100x more efficient and effective.

John Utah wrote:

That's some galactically bad advice right there, unless you're going to expand that exception list by a lot.

And you don't have to go to college and pay a FORTUNE to do so if you just want to explore things that interest you. The world is at your fingertips for that path and it's practically free if that's what you want to do....and 100x more efficient and effective.

Average salary without a college degree is ~$35k (source:

).

Average starting salary of someone with a worthless women's studies degree is $40k (source:

).

So even a worthless degree will immediately put you $5k ahead the AVERAGE salary of those without a college degree. And the delta just increases from there over time.

So you are completely wrong. It is much more efficient and effective to study women's studies in college than through your local library.

osaka wrote:

John Utah wrote:

By the way, in German it seems like many of their companies are run by engineers and not by MBAs, Lawyers or accountants. Even the government is run by a STEM. I think Merkel has a phd in chemistry or something.

That's because Germany is basically a high-IQ autism collective, no time for MBA shennanigans.

osaka is becoming my new favorite poster (didn't even have one before)

And hats off to the OP too, great post (from a former STEM)