Breaking: Adam Goucher says he thinks a resolution to the Salazar/NOP doping investigation is "coming very, very soon"

I agree with the guy below. Next time we talk to him, we'll try to ask this.

smd wrote:

Along those lines, it would have been good to ask Goucher about the common, reasonable observation that he and, especially, his wife improved in a program that they say is dirty. It doesn't have to be asked in a confrontational way; he should welcome the opportunity to state his case.

But then if he says they were clean, the special sauce was saved for others, a legitimate follow-up is, If you were able to improve without dodgy practices, why isn't that possible for others?

Positive Contribution wrote:

Does Goucher really suffer from depression?

Mate, I'm not a big fan of all these people but depression is a serious issue.

rojo wrote:

I agree with the guy below. Next time we talk to him, we'll try to ask this.

smd wrote:

Along those lines, it would have been good to ask Goucher about the common, reasonable observation that he and, especially, his wife improved in a program that they say is dirty. It doesn't have to be asked in a confrontational way; he should welcome the opportunity to state his case.

But then if he says they were clean, the special sauce was saved for others, a legitimate follow-up is, If you were able to improve without dodgy practices, why isn't that possible for others?

Rojo, weren't the Gouchers, Rupp and Salazar all training altitude and sharing a house where the cleaners found peds?

Subway Surfers wrote:

rojo wrote:

I agree with the guy below. Next time we talk to him, we'll try to ask this.

Rojo, weren't the Gouchers, Rupp and Salazar all training altitude and sharing a house where the cleaners found peds?

Only Rupp and Salazar shared that house in Park City, and it wasn't the cleaners who found the vials and the androgel, it was the massage therapist, who was instructed by Alberto to ship the vials in chilled envelopes overnight to NOPs trials hq in Eugene.

rojo wrote:

I agree with the guy below. Next time we talk to him, we'll try to ask this.

smd wrote:

Along those lines, it would have been good to ask Goucher about the common, reasonable observation that he and, especially, his wife improved in a program that they say is dirty. It doesn't have to be asked in a confrontational way; he should welcome the opportunity to state his case.

But then if he says they were clean, the special sauce was saved for others, a legitimate follow-up is, If you were able to improve without dodgy practices, why isn't that possible for others?

Translation: Jon was too chicken sheet to ask him. The questions have been floating around the board for YEARS. Gault is too interest in being friends instead of being a reporter.

I won't hold my breath waiting for Letsrun to ask this.

Adam, get a real job dude.

Not sure why Robert got all pi$$y. The follow-up questions were legitimate.

You seem to miss the Kara and adam have attention to gain by being in the news. Adam's "business" is based on social media...the more people know the more he gets his name out there.

And Kara is still trying to be professional and she also sells a ton of crap. Every other post on her twitter is an Advert. So the more attention the better. So they have ALOT to gain.

the problem they both have is if you take them at there word you can only assume they were happy to go along with there coach doping other athletes and not them.

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I'm not a fan of Saladbar, but Rupp is just better than Adam, and Kara was probably the best woman ever on NOP. [/quote]

Umm, ever heard of Jordan Hasay.

Subway Surfers wrote:

rojo wrote:

I agree with the guy below. Next time we talk to him, we'll try to ask this.

Rojo, weren't the Gouchers, Rupp and Salazar all training altitude and sharing a house where the cleaners found peds?

No that was in Park City. Salazar and Rupp only.

Jordan's Marathon wrote:

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I'm not a fan of Saladbar, but Rupp is just better than Adam, and Kara was probably the best woman ever on NOP.

Umm, ever heard of Jordan Hasay.[/quote]

...or Sifan Hassan?

I thought that Farah admitted to using L-Carnitine!

Goucher is of the same ilk that protects the E. Africans and their rampant doping. Take a hard look. Combine that with his innate jealousy of Rupp, Centrowitz, Jager and others, and it's not hard to understand his constant whining. Whining that has nothing to do with the truth. He's a natural born whiner who has to toe the line for his troop so to speak.

+1

I hope some Olympic Medals will be taken away.

I hope some Olympic Medals will be taken away.

I'm not saying they are guilty or not. I don't know. No idea.

But taking away medals for convicted dopers? Kiprop still has his and Kornelia Ender still has her medals too.

I feel like they are already guilty. They did things that are against the law--forget about USADA. How was it lawful for Salazar to give his son testosterone?

rojo wrote:

What do they have to gain by coming forward? I'd argue very, very little except integrity.

Srsly? There have been many threads over the years discussing what motivated the Gouchers. Those threads cover a range of motives besides integrity. I'd want to know a lot more about the Gouchers and their time at NOP before I decided what exactly motivated them.

I'd also want to know what they had to lose by coming forward when they did. Many posters suggest that they only went to the USADA when complaining cost them very little. Again, I'd want to know more before I decided if that was true.

Depends on the timing. Bans, and annulling of results, start with the offense. See Ramzi vs. Kiprop, or of course Armstrong. The injection stuff was documented to have been early 2012; depending on the punishment, that could cost Rupp his silver. Early 2016, he was caught as likely doper by the IAAF (blood doping). If USADA found evidence (doubtful), that would surely cost him his bronze medal.

Come on, IOC doesn't care. wrote:

I hope some Olympic Medals will be taken away.

I'm not saying they are guilty or not. I don't know. No idea.

But taking away medals for convicted dopers? Kiprop still has his and Kornelia Ender still has her medals too.