FLASH! Joshua Cheptegei just broke the 15k WR in 41:04 with a 2:37 last km!

Free_the_thigh wrote:

Banana Bread wrote:

Whatever new drug is on the market this year makes EPO look like lemonade.

It’s called a carbon spring

Might also have to do with kipochoge breaking a mental barrier for many runners and allowing them to realize that they could run faster. Like how the first sub 4 mile was huge, but then lots of people started to be able to crack it

Anything to hang on to your dreams.

nbskis wrote:

Course is no joke, strava from 4th place:

https://www.strava.com/activities/1971822790/overview

Thanks for that, very useful insights. Would love to see Cheptegei's mile splits too.

Not a College Runner wrote:

Thanks for that, very useful insights. Would love to see Cheptegei's mile splits too.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Free_the_thigh wrote:

It’s called a carbon spring

Might also have to do with kipochoge breaking a mental barrier for many runners and allowing them to realize that they could run faster. Like how the first sub 4 mile was huge, but then lots of people started to be able to crack it

Anything to hang on to your dreams.

Anything for Armdopelivs to keep on being a racist ass.

gfhgfh wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Anything to hang on to your dreams.

Anything for Armdopelivs to keep on being a racist ass.

Oh, right - Africans don't dope. Everybody else does. Head firmly trapped up your rear.

Armstronglivs wrote:

gfhgfh wrote:

Anything for Armdopelivs to keep on being a racist ass.

Oh, right - Africans don't dope. Everybody else does. Head firmly trapped up your rear.

Great logic there, turdhead.

You are a racist. Africans dope. Non-Africans dope.

You are still a racist.

gasreyhweah wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Oh, right - Africans don't dope. Everybody else does. Head firmly trapped up your rear.

Great logic there, turdhead.

You are a racist. Africans dope. Non-Africans dope.

You are still a racist.

Well, you would certainly be well acquainted with turds, given where your head is lodged. I have never maintained that only Africans/Kenyans etc dope. It is everywhere. Everywhere. But obviously that has to include Africa - but the obvious is too difficult for doping apologists like you to grasp. You need to find another term of abuse - but I guess your vocabulary is too limited for that.

There are athletes from every competitive nation who dope. The question is just whether there is or has been a serious effort to surveil and police that doping. In Kenya and especially Ethiopia, there has not been.

That's a pretty awful and misguided response. The guy was not making it personal (unlike you), rather, he was simply expressing his dismay at the state of athletics today, especially in places where there aren't good controls around doping. I, too, can't help but remain slightly skeptical about new world records/bests. You don't need to defend this runner, and you don't know if the guy was cheating or not, regardless of how you think he trains and who he trains with. I think we've all been surprised at how much doping actually exists in the athletics scene.

Staying power - wrote:

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

When he sometimes runs 20 x 400m he use to run them progressive in 5 sets of 4 x 400m ....he starts at 64-65 sec and finish in 57-58 sec at last set. If I had been the coach he had run just level pace. I believe more in "Staying Power ".

It seems to me that gradually running faster shows more staying power, than just keeping the same level pace.

The expression "Staying power" comes from the philosophy of the great coach Franz Stampfl who had his runners to keep the same pace , but extended the length of the rep in intervals and repetitions. If I had been Cheptengei`s coach I had developed him to handle the 20 x 400m in 59-60 sec and faster running than that in repetitions of for example 6-8 x 400m at 54-55 sec with full rest.

- The Mighty Wizard -

Armstronglivs wrote:

gasreyhweah wrote:

Great logic there, turdhead.

You are a racist. Africans dope. Non-Africans dope.

You are still a racist.

Well, you would certainly be well acquainted with turds, given where your head is lodged. I have never maintained that only Africans/Kenyans etc dope. It is everywhere. Everywhere. But obviously that has to include Africa - but the obvious is too difficult for doping apologists like you to grasp. You need to find another term of abuse - but I guess your vocabulary is too limited for that.

1) My vocabulary is way better than yours, turdface.

2) Why do you focus on calling Africans dopers then? Why don't I see you waste your energy on white athletes?

3) I am not a doping apologist. I am a reasonable man. You, on the other hand, are a racist piece of crap.

It's funny how most of the people on this website are quick to judge! Joshua Cheptegei is one hell of a runner! The first time, I saw him was back in 2016 in Carlsbad. Listen to the interview towards the end of the video, you will see how confident this young man is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qmiu59wVqYQ

Y'all remember what happened to him in Uganda (World Cross country Kampala)when he crushed everybody but ran out of gas in the last 600m.

In fact, this is not the first time he tried to break the 15km W.best! Last year he came short but we all knew with better pacing he would get it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toY1L_fwJA4

Yes he sometimes go train with the best group in the world in Kenya. Global sports communication is the one managing him along with all the big names you may know: Kipchoge, Kamworor, Bekele, Abel Kirui, Rono, Augustine Choge, Ayana, Sifan, Dibaba, Florence Kiplagat, amongst many others.

If you see the logo (Nike NN), chances are it's somebody managed by Global Sports Communication.

What you should ask yourselves is why so many fast races are often ran in Netherlands! The terrain is one answer but Jos Hermens is the other! He is a great duch agent and he negotiate big money for his stable!

As for Joshua, he is been very consistent and I am not surprised of his achievements! Maybe one who doesn't follow the sport may think like who is this ''kenyan '' that just ran the fastest 15km ever out of no where? The simple fact to ask the question is answer enough!

gjtjkyuky wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Well, you would certainly be well acquainted with turds, given where your head is lodged. I have never maintained that only Africans/Kenyans etc dope. It is everywhere. Everywhere. But obviously that has to include Africa - but the obvious is too difficult for doping apologists like you to grasp. You need to find another term of abuse - but I guess your vocabulary is too limited for that.

1) My vocabulary is way better than yours, turdface.

2) Why do you focus on calling Africans dopers then? Why don't I see you waste your energy on white athletes?

3) I am not a doping apologist. I am a reasonable man. You, on the other hand, are a racist piece of crap.

So how do you explain away all the doping busts that have come out of Kenya? Didn't happen? The WADA investigation is fake news? I guess it must be racist for the Kenyan authorities to bust their own athletes. Oh, wait. So it's racist to simply question the validity of current performances coming out of E Africa? What are the current non-African performances that are the subject of speculation? Using the label of racism is pretty desperate in all this.

I understand there's a lot of hatred of Kenyans on this site, but Joshua Cheptegei is Ugandan. So this discussion is a non-starter. Unless, of course, you're willing to admit your problem is with athletes of a certain race.

El Keniano wrote:

I understand there's a lot of hatred of Kenyans on this site, but Joshua Cheptegei is Ugandan. So this discussion is a non-starter. Unless, of course, you're willing to admit your problem is with athletes of a certain race.

I have said repeatedly that I consider doping to be a universal problem, not simply Kenyan or even African. But countries with a series of busts, exposes, or poor anti-doping regimes - as in quite a few countries from this region - justify tough questions about the validity of what we see. I also think doping is an American, European, Caribbean, Russian etc issue - even if tougher doping controls latterly in some of those countries requires greater discretion in the use of ped's- thus more micro-dosing - but the subject of this thread is about the performance of an exceptional African athlete. Talk about another athlete from another region and my points will be basically the same. That is the nature of a "pandemic".

IAAF tables say equivalent to 58:40 for half-marathon...on a hilly course!!

YMMV wrote:

IAAF tables say equivalent to 58:40 for half-marathon...on a hilly course!!

Do people not realise that the Netherlands is literally the flattest country in the world. The mountain of drugs these guys are taking would be higher then anything land in the Netherlands.

YMMV wrote:

IAAF tables say equivalent to 58:40 for half-marathon...on a hilly course!!

Indeed, and a 26:43 for a hilly 10k. In this shape he can threaten the 58-minute barrier for the half. Beware he ran 41:05 for 15km on a hilly course, pushing all by himself since 4th km.

Also, i think he can tickle 26:30 for 10,000 on a track next year. In this shape if there would be a 10,000m meet with great weather and pacers to get a super fast time..well..Joshua might surprise many and run pretty close to Bekele's world record, he has a 26:2x in him rather sooner than later, i'm sure.