Ridiculous: Teen’s lacy thong used as evidence for consent

WTF^n wrote:

Salvoslripe wrote:

If I did any amount of "research" at all I would be better informed than you and that wouldn't make for good conversation.

Child abuse and rape are not the same thing even if they share a correlation, so how that's relevant you might explain. Lumping children who live in abusive households in with adult rape victims is a real disservice to those children. The children are born into that situation, they aren't mislead or unheedingly led to it.

Yes, people can prevent their own rapes, the same way they can prevent gum disease, premature wrinkles, premature death, broken bones, sexually transmitted diseases. It only requires awareness and effort.

Men do get raped. I once took an adult woman out for drinks, we hit it off. So this "adult women" who lived downstairs of her parents house took me back to her place for some impromptu loving. Next morning everything is fine we part ways. I get a call from her later that evening saying she felt like she had been raped. Her claim was that because she had drank alcohol her judgment was impaired and therefore could not consent. In reality she was ashamed and looking for someone to blame. After I mentioned I had had more drinks than her and that we had ended up at her place suggesting that of the two it was much more likely that I was raped, she quit harassing me.

The person you know who has been raped twice, at least it was two different people. If you get raped by the same person twice shame on you I believe.

Any victim of anything who doesn't take any accountability, just isn't living in reality.

You appear to equally sick in the head and stupid. Sorry, just calling it like it is.

I absolutely love this line; "Yes, people can prevent their own rapes, the same way they can prevent gum disease, premature wrinkles, premature death, broken bones, sexually transmitted diseases. It only requires awareness and effort. "

That's right, and people can prevent their own murders, being victims of burglary, . . . heck, people can prevent ALL crimes and ALL diseases. It only requires awareness and effort.

In fact, while we are at it, let's just declare that there is no such thing as a crime - only pathetic victims who lack awareness and effort.

theJeff wrote:

track chick wrote:

This thread is vile, although not as vile as the original case.

They make lacy thongs for 9 years olds these days, in many shops in the UK and Ireland. Underwear correlates to nothing. Some people will only own that type of underwear, so I guess they want to be raped all of the time.

Many women have had sex when wearing cotton boyshorts, old pants, lacy thongs, anything. It's often what you grab out of a drawer to put on that day. It means nothing, and I'm shocked that people could even think that oh, lacy thong, she must've wanted sex! The mind boggles...

Maybe 50 years ago but not now.

A lot of people will only own that kind of underwear.

They might wear it to yoga, to university, to the library, to visit grandparents. Are they looking for sex then? Are they looking for sex if they're 10 and have bought one of those stupid child thong packs from Primark or similar shops?

Secondly, whoever posted about once someone is raped, it never happens again. Do some research in the area of sexual assault. If someone is abused as a child, it increases the likelihood they're raped. You're essentially saying there, that people can prevent their own rapes. Men are raped too. I don't see many people going around saying that about them, thankfully. I know people who have been raped more than once (by different individuals). Would a man's underwear be brought into it if he was raped in an alley? I hope not.

The whole thing just makes me sad. How that girl would feel with her underwear being brought up in court. How other cases have been handled. The people who were assaulted are incredibly brave to take it to court. They are brave to go through the examinations afterwards. Cases where their underwear is passed around in court for the jury to handle. It's abhorrent. I don't believe that should be allowed actually. Passing underwear around a jury, how humiliating.

How can pants mean consent?

I don't believe the underwear or what someone is wearing should even be brought into it.

So does wearing that mean you have less of a right to not consent?

Do we want to get into a situation where women are like oh no, I can't wear that because if I'm assaulted it will be used against me? When you can't wear things you like, that you find nice?

The age of consent in Ireland is 17 so age has nothing to do with this case. I don't believe the underwear should ever have been brought into it, and to say that they imply consent is nuts. The days of having a special pair of underwear or whatever for that are completely over. It means nothing.

Very good post. Everything you have said is spot on. I missed the guy who said women aren't raped twice. Horsesh!t.

That being said, imagine for a minute that you are a male. If you had been falsely accused of rape after consensual sex, and it was completely your word against hers, I imagine you would suddenly think that sexy underwear, possession of condoms / lubrication, etc on her part would become quite relevant.

Or, not a perfect analogy, but: imagine you have been raped, and the man is claiming that it was consensual. If you learn that the man has been accused of sexual assault before... or if you learn ANYTHING that may call his character into question... would you bring it up in court, even if those issues had no direct effect on the event itself? I think it would be foolish not to.