Complete joke. Yes
Complete joke. Yes
So you think the real 2nd place was someone who finished behind her? Didn't finish at all? Lowest heart rate? Highest AG%?
2nd place = person who was in shape and ran the right race to cross the line in 2nd place. Plenty of other women could have done it. But they didn't. Which is the whole point of racing.
Moran
Uchch wrote:
Should there be an asterisk next to Boston 2018?
Right.
Boston 2018*
*The race that got Letsrun commenters' panties in a bunch.
Uchch wrote:
Should there be an asterisk next to Boston 2018?
A mental asterisk. This happens in all sports, something that allows people who may not be the best to win. Just think back to the 2014 men's race. Nobody is going to put a true asterisk on that race, but we know what happened.
Sarah ran harder than lots of other runners that day, and she still put on a good show today. But no honest person walked away from Boston thinking she was an Olympic hopeful (well maybe Altra, but they don't count, they can't even be used for marathons).
but you do get a participation ribbon wrote:
2nd place = person who was in shape and ran the right race to cross the line in 2nd place.
Moran
2nd place does not require you to be “in shape”. It just requires you to cross the line in 2nd. As long as nobody else shows up or everyone else is slower than you, doesn’t matter. If I win a local 5k turkey trot in a time of 50 minutes I’m no less a champion than another runner who wins a 5k in 14 minutes. We are equals. In shape equals. Champion shape.
On a related note - If Jordan Hasay ran a 2:44 marathon, would you say she was “in shape”? I’d think most people would say she wasn’t, even if it were, for example, the Huntsville marathon and she won it.
Something like this?:
Runners: Women
Place Bib Name Official Time State Country Ctz
*1 F8 Linden, Desiree 2:39:54 MI USA
*2 F42 Sellers, Sarah 2:44:04 AZ USA
*3 F18 Duchene, Krista 2:44:20 ON CAN
* Note: The Boston Marathon is not a time trial. For elite runners in a major competition, placement, not finishing time, is important. These women prevailed under adverse competitions, demonstrating greater toughness and tenacity than their competitors. If you care so much about finishing times, we recommend you follow treadmill competitions.
Sounds good.
... and, of course, she publicly stated her goal in advance of the race:
> Sellers’s goal for New York is to run faster than 2:37, which is the Olympic marathon “A” standard qualifying time (her Boston time met the “B” standard to qualify for the trials).
and how did she do?
> 18 122 Sarah Sellers 2:36:37 AZ United States USA
A runner achieving her goal. Looks like a good result to me.
well..... wrote:
... and, of course, she publicly stated her goal in advance of the race:
> Sellers’s goal for New York is to run faster than 2:37, which is the Olympic marathon “A” standard qualifying time (her Boston time met the “B” standard to qualify for the trials).
and how did she do?
> 18 122 Sarah Sellers 2:36:37 AZ United States USA
A runner achieving her goal. Looks like a good result to me.
Absolutely. Equally, when Ragen Chastain achieved her goal of being the heaviest woman to ever complete a marathon (288 pounds), victory. Focusing on time is for losers, not goal achievers like Ragen and Sarah.
Absolutely. Equally, when Ragen Chastain achieved her goal of being the heaviest woman to ever complete a marathon (288 pounds), victory. Focusing on time is for losers, not goal achievers like Ragen and Sarah.[/quote]
Some of the (my guess would be younger) letsrun posters have to get off the time bandwagon.
We're getting back to a time when the race matters.
Major marathon (or any road race) a win is a win. It's all about the race.
Not sure why so many people can't appreciate Seller's Boston race for what it was; an incredibly courageous personal effort in brutal conditions. Just like so many people that ran that race and ran close to their capabilities, she gutted out a great personal result.
It just so happened that the elite runners either wouldn't or couldn't meet the personal challenge of the day.
Finishing 2nd, she had an absolute thrill of a lifetime.
Just imagine if Desi had stepped off the course after having considered quitting so many times. This everywoman would have won Boston and they'd be making a movie about it.
I applaud her and am really impressed that she managed to run her race and hit her goal at New York.
Reboot runner wrote:
Just imagine if Desi had stepped off the course after having considered quitting so many times. This everywoman would have won Boston and they'd be making a movie about it.
I applaud her and am really impressed that she managed to run her race and hit her goal at New York.
Th would be one anticlimactic ending.
But I agree on being able to hit her goals. Sounds like she's managing her career well.
Uchch wrote:
Should there be an asterisk next to Boston 2018?
Absolutely not. If anyone has a problem with it, they could have signed up for the race themselves.
Like the 2011 race that gave my athlete a sub 2:05?
Yup, success is how you define it wrote:
well..... wrote:
... and, of course, she publicly stated her goal in advance of the race:
> Sellers’s goal for New York is to run faster than 2:37, which is the Olympic marathon “A” standard qualifying time (her Boston time met the “B” standard to qualify for the trials).
and how did she do?
> 18 122 Sarah Sellers 2:36:37 AZ United States USA
A runner achieving her goal. Looks like a good result to me.
Absolutely. Equally, when Ragen Chastain achieved her goal of being the heaviest woman to ever complete a marathon (288 pounds), victory. Focusing on time is for losers, not goal achievers like Ragen and Sarah.
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Uchch wrote:
Should there be an asterisk next to Boston 2018?
An Asterisk?? are you f$cking kidding me.
A bunch of letsrunners know they would have dropped out by ~mile 10 in Boston 2018. So they're salty.
If elites are truly 'tough' then they could stick out 2 hours in the cold. People in cold climates do this all the time. Yawn.
If it's windy, cold, and raining during the superbowl it just might change who the favorite is.
But do they put an asterisk next to the champion?
Also, congrats on the successful post.
Several bites even a day later but next time use a different form of you're and maybe mispell astrisk for a bigger initial response.
Determination? Effort? Grit? Persistence? Perseverance? Commitment? Something freaky like that allows a runner to cross the finish line first and so become...the winner? Imagine that.
vandelayindustries wrote:
This happens in all sports, something that allows people who may not be the best to win. .
Reboot runner wrote:
Not sure why so many people can't appreciate Seller's Boston race for what it was; an incredibly courageous personal effort in brutal conditions. Just like so many people that ran that race and ran close to their capabilities, she gutted out a great personal result.
It just so happened that the elite runners either wouldn't or couldn't meet the personal challenge of the day.
Finishing 2nd, she had an absolute thrill of a lifetime.
Just imagine if Desi had stepped off the course after having considered quitting so many times. This everywoman would have won Boston and they'd be making a movie about it.
I applaud her and am really impressed that she managed to run her race and hit her goal at New York.
Courageous?
PUKE!?!?!?!?