Abraham Kiptum WORLD RECORD 58:18 Half Marathon

Armstronglivs wrote:

The information I have about doping (and it comes from coaches, athletes, anti-doping officials and from what I have read) is that doping is no longer confined to elite or professional levels, but has infiltrated seniors, amateurs and even schools.

If what you say is true then it is beyond awful. I a bit old school in that I assume it is only a problem at the upper echelons of the sport and elsewhere is is almost non existent, except for a small minority of 'win at all costs' types. It is one reason I get more excited about the latest performances of the Katelyn Touhys and Sydney McLaughlins of this world. A new world record or performance improvement at the senior levels always leaves me with a nagging doubt in my mind. The only senior performance this year that I truly enjoyed was Yuki's win at Boston. But that was a unique race.

P.S. Though I am not sure whether to believe the problem is really as bad as you believe I do appreciate that you do not classify it as an African problem, and western runners, especially whites, are squeaky clean. Something many of the posters here are obsessed with.

When I was in school i nthe 1980s, I had football teammates taking steroids. Their use was common in high school then. Not sure what planet you live on if you think otherwise.

Subway Surfers wrote:

I love CT but CT doesn't love my allergies wrote:

Will you and other posters like SSA and Coevett (and his many aliases) stop ruining threads?

This thread is not about doping. Can you keep your doping talk to the dedicated threads that Coevett, for example, has so kindly created for all of you anti-Kenyans to have some fun?

Thank you.

Back on topic.

Kiptum has run some great races in the last few years. And his performance in Amsterdam 2017 was really amazing.

Video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H23fRdCtUBc

His stride is impressive and he is not afraid of committing to a fast pace.

I had suspected "I love CT but CT doesn't love my allergies" was Ex Runner, this just confirms it.

Where should I start?

First of all, I am sure you meant ex-runner. The guy with the capital E and the capital R, and no hyphen, is Coevett, as you know. You only missed the extra n.

ex-runner is from London (at least he has always said so). In my state, Connecticut, or CT, you ignorant ass, there is a New London, but I live more than 50 miles away.

And let me explain this to you, as you are so dense: New London and London are not the same place.

But go on with your stupid posts and not replying when you get owned, like the coward you are.

Your stupidity is highly entertaining.

Kiptum grabbing second place in Copenhagen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axvcQfOTYQE

Last two km from 54:00 on the video.

Simple. Brits are just pathetic runners. Can't even compete with with Norway, of all countries. Only two that mix it with the rest of the world and Laura Muir doesn't look like she'll be scaring 3:55 again. Brits are getting slower and Kenyans getting faster, especially after improved testing. Three WRs this year.

As for "minimal testing", anything but. ADAK is the best performing testing agency in the world right now. We have more elites than the rest of the world put together vs the UK's single digits. Much easier and cheaper to keep tabs on yours. Farah knows he'll get busted if he sets foot in Kenya but will happily race in the UK where he's protected.

"... Kenya has more elite distance runners than the rest of the world combined".

That claim simply begs the question as to how many are elite because they have doped. In an environment where doping is an identifiable issue it must follow that some of the elite will be doped. But we won't know who. As WADA (that now rather unreliable organisation) attests, only 1% of athletes test positive as against an estimated 15-40% who are actually doping. No country - and certainly not Kenya - can boast of its elites without inviting the question of how many are clean. Russia has afforded salutary caution against the illusory emptiness of such claims of excellence.

I love CT but CT doesn't love my allergies wrote:

Kiptum grabbing second place in Copenhagen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axvcQfOTYQE

Last two km from 54:00 on the video.

Thanks for the video, what wind there was !

Renee Anne Shirley, the Jamaican whistleblower, compiled an official report that concluded doping is widespread amongst elites in all sports across all countries, and with the collusion of sports governing bodies. (She received death threats in Jamaica.) Other more recent reports have indicated that the issue has spread to masters, amateur sport (both genders) and even schools. (Doping will be easier at junior levels because testing is nowhere near as prevalent as at elite levels.) The lack of confidence in WADA shown by athletes at the Washington summit can only indicate the problem is getting worse.

From the horse's mouth. After Kiprop was busted I recall Nick Willis saying that "the fans should stop watching our dirty sport" as a message to all.

El Keniano wrote:

Simple. Brits are just pathetic runners. Can't even compete with with Norway, of all countries. Only two that mix it with the rest of the world and Laura Muir doesn't look like she'll be scaring 3:55 again. Brits are getting slower and Kenyans getting faster, especially after improved testing. Three WRs this year.

As for "minimal testing", anything but. ADAK is the best performing testing agency in the world right now. We have more elites than the rest of the world put together vs the UK's single digits. Much easier and cheaper to keep tabs on yours. Farah knows he'll get busted if he sets foot in Kenya but will happily race in the UK where he's protected.

Too funny....improved testing never stopped the Morrocans. Lol. What makes you think the Kenyans are any different than the Magical Moroccans?

Barrel of Laughs wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

Simple. Brits are just pathetic runners. Can't even compete with with Norway, of all countries. Only two that mix it with the rest of the world and Laura Muir doesn't look like she'll be scaring 3:55 again. Brits are getting slower and Kenyans getting faster, especially after improved testing. Three WRs this year.

As for "minimal testing", anything but. ADAK is the best performing testing agency in the world right now. We have more elites than the rest of the world put together vs the UK's single digits. Much easier and cheaper to keep tabs on yours. Farah knows he'll get busted if he sets foot in Kenya but will happily race in the UK where he's protected.

Too funny....improved testing never stopped the Morrocans. Lol. What makes you think the Kenyans are any different than the Magical Moroccans?

Nationalism mostly.

Barrel of Laughs wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

Simple. Brits are just pathetic runners. Can't even compete with with Norway, of all countries. Only two that mix it with the rest of the world and Laura Muir doesn't look like she'll be scaring 3:55 again. Brits are getting slower and Kenyans getting faster, especially after improved testing. Three WRs this year.

As for "minimal testing", anything but. ADAK is the best performing testing agency in the world right now. We have more elites than the rest of the world put together vs the UK's single digits. Much easier and cheaper to keep tabs on yours. Farah knows he'll get busted if he sets foot in Kenya but will happily race in the UK where he's protected.

Too funny....improved testing never stopped the Morrocans. Lol. What makes you think the Kenyans are any different than the Magical Moroccans?

Because we’re still here, an even greater force, and the Moroccans aren’t. You can no longer complain about testing in Kenya. Kenyans even dominate your college teams and the U.S. seems to be going the way of Qatar, Bahrain and Turkey sending Kenyans to the Olympics. The only way to wipe out Kenya as a distance running superpower would be to inundate us with KFC, which you’ve started.

Yes the are!...the numbers are shocking when you consider it's Kenyan distance runners! Aren't they suppose to be the world's greatest runners, natural born runners from birth, altitude natives and all that jazz? Ask any random person on the street who the best distance runners are and overwhelming the response will be: "Oh, that's an easy one...it's the Kenyans."

And it's not just few here & there getting bagged for doping...but dozens! And it's not just lower-tier roadsters looking to bag a win for a few bucks at minor races, but BIG household names who have set WRs and won Olympic Gold!

You should be mortified and disgusted with the situation instead of coming on here and whining about why aren't the Americans, Brits, Canadians, etc. testing positive and all that BS you spout off! In fact, your posts make me sick to my stomach! ?

Subway Surfers wrote:

I love CT but CT doesn't love my allergies wrote:

Will you and other posters like SSA and Coevett (and his many aliases) stop ruining threads?

This thread is not about doping. Can you keep your doping talk to the dedicated threads that Coevett, for example, has so kindly created for all of you anti-Kenyans to have some fun?

Thank you.

Back on topic.

Kiptum has run some great races in the last few years. And his performance in Amsterdam 2017 was really amazing.

Video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H23fRdCtUBc

His stride is impressive and he is not afraid of committing to a fast pace.

I had suspected "I love CT but CT doesn't love my allergies" was Ex Runner, this just confirms it.

Mate, I don't even know who Ex Runner is. Is he the guy who challenged Coevett to a 5K race in the park and Coevett still wont show, like the racist coward that he is?

El Keniano wrote:

Kipsuedo wrote:

Post the DNA results....I’ll give you $100 if you’re at least as much Kenyan as Warren is Native American. The bar is low here...hope the results will be up soon.

There's no Kenyan DNA. We all came from elsewhere in Africa.

https://www.iwgia.org/en/kenya/655-indigenous-peoples-in-kenya

Does that include the 50,000 white Kenyans? I guess you assume we're all as racist as you and wouldn't even consider them Kenyan. Mo Farah is British but eighth generation white Kenyans aren't really Kenyans. *shivers*

The difference between me and you is I think Mo is likely to be doping because of this. CO the 400m runner I also think doped - 3 tests come on!

Despite overwhelming evidence you still believe that Kenyan athletics is clean. At least ours have tests to dodge[/quote]

Nah! We're nabbing cheats and you're not. Your "tests" are nothing but window dressing.[/quote]

The why are our runners not running 3:26 for 1500m like Kiprop? Our runners have gone backwards as there is no point in running 3:30 as you won't win anything

The exception is Farah. Well he missed one test and 2 more and he'd have been banned. Luckily he spent most of his time hiding out in Kenya where he knew he wouldn't be tested. Then when they did start minimal testing he switched to training in Ethiopia. He's basically beaten your guys at their own game!

In the UK or America dopers would generally go for using more sophisticated to avoid a positive tests eg Micro dosing or new drgs. Other than Mo we have not had one runner under 13 mins for 5,000m. If they were on the juice our 13:10 runners would be doing 12:50 the Kenyan way. Or maybe join the Epopians?

How long before another one of your stars is busted like Kiprop? He knew the testing was too good in London 2012 by the way. That's why he ran like a donkey with no feed[/quote]

Simple. Brits are just pathetic runners. Can't even compete with with Norway, of all countries. Only two that mix it with the rest of the world and Laura Muir doesn't look like she'll be scaring 3:55 again. Brits are getting slower and Kenyans getting faster, especially after improved testing. Three WRs this year.

As for "minimal testing", anything but. ADAK is the best performing testing agency in the world right now. We have more elites than the rest of the world put together vs the UK's single digits. Much easier and cheaper to keep tabs on yours. Farah knows he'll get busted if he sets foot in Kenya but will happily race in the UK where he's protected.[/quote]

Athletes dope in training not competition. Farah was training for years in Kenya are you arguing for me now instead of against!

Muir had her best ever year in terms of championships medals and also won the Diamond League 1500m

She also qualified a a veterinary surgeon last year so is set to have her best ever year next year. I just hope she does not have to face the farce of competing against a 3:50 runner who's coach is arrested for supplying EPO and pretended the physio who had it stashed was not working for him.

Like Muir British runners generally have other ways to make money. There is little point for many going full time as legitimate dope free times will not win medals and make it financially worthwhile. That has led to a decline in standards compared to where we should be

I love CT but CT doesn't love my allergies wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

I had suspected "I love CT but CT doesn't love my allergies" was Ex Runner, this just confirms it.

Mate, I don't even know who Ex Runner is. Is he the guy who challenged Coevett to a 5K race in the park and Coevett still wont show, like the racist coward that he is?

Very cute, Coevett.

I still won't register this handle and I won't use it anymore.

We don't say "mate" in the US, by the way, mate.

Same as it ever was... wrote:

Too funny...WADA is imploding right before our eyes. ? This is BIG:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/oct/31/wada-russian-anti-doping-summit-emergencyhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-6339569/Sir-Craig-Reedie-faces-fresh-calls-resign-WADA-president-White-House-meeting.html

Where's rekrunner now to convince us how reliable WADA is? ?

And those ridiculous links El K posted from WADA? ?

Yes I got the news update of "Emergency WADA meeting in the White House" and was thinking "ha??? WTH? ?"

ukathleticscoach wrote:

The difference between me and you is I think Mo is likely to be doping because of this. CO the 400m runner I also think doped - 3 tests come on!

Despite overwhelming evidence you still believe that Kenyan athletics is clean. At least ours have tests to dodge

Nah! We're nabbing cheats and you're not. Your "tests" are nothing but window dressing.[/quote]

The why are our runners not running 3:26 for 1500m like Kiprop? Our runners have gone backwards as there is no point in running 3:30 as you won't win anything

The exception is Farah. Well he missed one test and 2 more and he'd have been banned. Luckily he spent most of his time hiding out in Kenya where he knew he wouldn't be tested. Then when they did start minimal testing he switched to training in Ethiopia. He's basically beaten your guys at their own game!

[/quote]

Yes I laughed when he posted this, he missed the doorbell right after returning from Kenya!