Abraham Kiptum WORLD RECORD 58:18 Half Marathon

El Keniano wrote:

Ah butt wrote:

He has results from a couple of years ago. Do you think there are records dating 5 years back of every potentially amazing African athlete?

LOL There are too many of them. You wil have plenty of opportunities to be angry again in the future, Mr If It's Not White It's Not Legit.

This! They're butt hurt because they predicted and expected times to slow down with improved testing in Kenya

Joke of the day ? hilarious

Anyone know where results are?

This appears to be results, but has a Spanish guy in 1:02 as the winner:

https://www.iaafvalencia2018.com/results/

I assume that every road WR was set on a course that is a little short or wind-aided. Just like every track record is set on a bouncy track.

Armstronglivs wrote:

So we have a report from WADA detailing that Kenya has a serious doping problem and we have yet another Kenyan setting another world record. Let's keep those compartments closed, shall we.

The report that confirms doping in Kenya is neither systemic nor institutionalised?

Let's talk about the near non-existent busts in North America and Western Europe that would have you believe that doping levels in those countries is at 0%. That's the real joke. Truth is, ADAK's testing regime is now better than Western countries because they're catching no one.

El Keniano wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

So we have a report from WADA detailing that Kenya has a serious doping problem and we have yet another Kenyan setting another world record. Let's keep those compartments closed, shall we.

The report that confirms doping in Kenya is neither systemic nor institutionalised?

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=9031596https://drive.google.com/viewerng/viewer?url=https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/final_public_report_on_kenya.pdfhttps://www.kenyans.co.ke/news/33532-doping-kenya-not-systemic-wada

Let's talk about the near non-existent busts in North America and Western Europe that would have you believe that doping levels in those countries is at 0%. That's the real joke. Truth is, ADAK's testing regime is now better than Western countries because they're catching no one.

Your complaints about drug-testing in Western nations would have a bit more relevance if random guys from the U.S. or U.K. were coming out of the weeds with world records where they shatter their 10K PRs on the second half of a half marathon. This guy is another obvious fraud, desperately raking in some cash before a real testing regime is installed in Kenya. He will be nothing in a year from now.

Kiptum is just another Kimetto: drugs his way to a record while below the radar, then cash in with appearance money as his true ability comes out under a testing regime.

2016 2:11:44 London 24 APR

2015 2:05:50 London 26 APR

2014 2:02:57WR Berlin 28 SEP

2013 2:03:45 Chicago, IL 13 OCT

2012 2:04:16 Berlin

Another post of reason here. El Keniano will somehow refute it tho..

Is that his dong hanging out in the photo RW chose? Haha!

El Keniano wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

So we have a report from WADA detailing that Kenya has a serious doping problem and we have yet another Kenyan setting another world record. Let's keep those compartments closed, shall we.

The report that confirms doping in Kenya is neither systemic nor institutionalised?

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=9031596https://drive.google.com/viewerng/viewer?url=https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/final_public_report_on_kenya.pdfhttps://www.kenyans.co.ke/news/33532-doping-kenya-not-systemic-wada

Let's talk about the near non-existent busts in North America and Western Europe that would have you believe that doping levels in those countries is at 0%. That's the real joke. Truth is, ADAK's testing regime is now better than Western countries because they're catching no one.

You are right, doping is everywhere. But it appears Kenya is currently leading the way. There are more doping busts there than anywhere else at present. But that doesn't mean the Europeans and the Americans are clean. Furthermore, doping doesn't have to be institutionalised to be widespread. And WADA wouldn't go to the bother of issuing a report to give the subject concerned a clean bill of health - and Kenya certainly hasn't been given that.

Ok, is this true about him being coached by Jama Aden? Or is it just throwing mud at a new guy?

Because I have to admit, if he is an Aden athlete the result looks a lot different to me.

Alabama BS wrote:

Guy runs a 27:16 final 10k and doesn’t look tired at the finish doing it. Yeah, why would I question that?

Either you didn't watch the end of the race and are making things up or you are intentionally misrepresenting what you saw. He looked very tired as he finished, and spent the next minute or two held up in the arms of several other people.

quetoper wrote:

Anyone know where results are?

This appears to be results, but has a Spanish guy in 1:02 as the winner:

You linked to the results of a race in march.

the previous high was not 6, new delhi 2014.

rojo wrote:

If verified, the race sets a new record for most sub 59:30 performances in a race with 8. Previous record was 6.

Can you imagine running 59:29 and finishing 8th in a race?

8 Abel Kipchumba (KEN) 59:29

new delhi 2014

What is Kiptum's height? It appears a record has been snatched back by team TALL after Kipchoge moved marathon to team short.

team TALL: 100m, 200m, 800m, HM, 400h

team short: 5000m, 10,000m, marathon, 110h

not sure of the height of HEG, WVN and Shaheen.

Subway Surfers wrote:

This isn't the guy Renato was telling me about two weeks ago, that was one of Kwemoi's training partners, a many years 3:38 man that Nike asked to fill in over 10k where he did 28 something and suddenly through 6 months worth of "proper training" he could do 2x27:40 back to back and 58mins?

Maybe you race 5K and 10K on the road several times a year. If so, I am sure your best 10K race of the year is at a faster pace than your slowest 5K race in a particular year.

Armstronglivs wrote:

You are right, doping is everywhere. But it appears Kenya is currently leading the way. There are more doping busts there than anywhere else at present. But that doesn't mean the Europeans and the Americans are clean. Furthermore, doping doesn't have to be institutionalised to be widespread. And WADA wouldn't go to the bother of issuing a report to give the subject concerned a clean bill of health - and Kenya certainly hasn't been given that.

+1

Except for the part, where "Kenya is currently leading the way".

Doping attitude does not change that fast. From the Sunday Times 2015 leak, we have a list of blood-doping suspects by country. There, the "leaders" were Russia, Ukraine, Turkey, Greece, Morocco and Bulgaria, with a percentage from 30 - 22%; twice as high as Kenya's 11%, which was on par with the EU countries Holland and Spain. For comparison, UK and USA had 4% and 5%, respectively.

And again, one has to dope quite brutally to crash through the generous borders of the ABP. E.g., Ashenden showed that one can safely increase Hct by 10 - 15%, and Poistogova for example never got flagged despite her hard-core EPO usage. That implies that the real percentages are substantially higher than for example the 30% for Russia, 11% for Kenya, or 5% for USA.

Here's a copy of the list of suspicious blood tests indicative of doping:

Russia 30%

Ukraine 28%

Turkey 27%

Greece 26%

Morocco 24%

Bulgaria 22%

Bahrain 20%

Belarus 19%

Slovenia 16%

Romania 13%

Brazil 12%

Kenya 11%

Holland 11%

Spain 11%

Colombia 11%

…

Ethiopia 8%

Sweden 7%

Germany 6%

Norway 5%

France 5%

USA 5%

Great Britan 4%

Canada 3%

New Zealand 2%

For God’s sake is anyone testing these so called athletes. They wouldn’t be able to run this fast on the track never mind the road. How is it that we are all just reading and nodding our heads that this is normal. The same countries keep coming up with the super fast times. It’s now a joke. Should we put “wind aided” efforts for a half-marathon race?

ivansolero wrote:

For God’s sake is anyone testing these so called athletes.

Yes. But testing is overrated, see e.g. Armstrong or Kiprop.

Or look at the overall numbers of the IAAF. About 1% of the tests are positive (same for UCI btw), but we know from the Tubingen/Harvard study that at least 44% are drug cheats.

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough when I said Kenya "is currently leading the way". It was an understated way of saying doping is rife in that country.