Jakob Ingebrigtsen new threshold speed. between 21-22 km/h (half marathon under 1h as 18y)

6 replies to the same post wrote:

almost over the hill wrote:

Not bad at 18? He only has a couple more good years left...

Kenenisa Bekele (ETH) Age 21 12:37.35

Haile Gebrselassie (ETH) Age 25 12:39.36

Daniel Komen (KEN) Age 21 12:39.74

Eliud Kipchoge (KEN) Age 19 12:46.53

Dejen Gebremeskel (ETH) Age 22 12:46.81

Sileshi Sihine (ETH) Age 21 12:47.04

Hagos Gebriwhet (ETH) Age 18 12:47.53

Isaiah Koech (KEN) Age 18 12:48.64

Isaac Songok (KEN) Age 22 12:48.66

Yenew Alamirew (ETH) Age 22 12:48.77

Stephen Cherono (KEN) Age 20 12:48.81

Thomas Longosiwa (KEN) Age 20 12:49.04

Good point--I wouldn't want him to crash and burn like that Elud Kipcoge guy did. Such a fleeting talent...

Yet his fastest 5k was at 19...... as the OP would say, not bad for a 19 year old.

If Jakob retire today, he would still have had a really great career.

2xEuropean champion + some great personal bests.

He does not need to prove anything, but he still has improved.

But I understand that he is not from the USA and that a lot of Americans will just be grumpy.

Mo was a professional for 10 years, he didn't always train like one. My teammates were beating him when he was 18 and they're all fat middle aged dads now.

Carlos Lopes 27:17 at 37 wrote:

almost over the hill wrote:

Not bad at 18? He only has a couple more good years left...

Kenenisa Bekele (ETH) Age 21 12:37.35

Haile Gebrselassie (ETH) Age 25 12:39.36

Daniel Komen (KEN) Age 21 12:39.74

Eliud Kipchoge (KEN) Age 19 12:46.53

Dejen Gebremeskel (ETH) Age 22 12:46.81

Sileshi Sihine (ETH) Age 21 12:47.04

Hagos Gebriwhet (ETH) Age 18 12:47.53

Isaiah Koech (KEN) Age 18 12:48.64

Isaac Songok (KEN) Age 22 12:48.66

Yenew Alamirew (ETH) Age 22 12:48.77

Stephen Cherono (KEN) Age 20 12:48.81

Thomas Longosiwa (KEN) Age 20 12:49.04

He's not African.

But he’s been training like them for 4-5 years. And he clearly matured and developed very very early. He only has 2-3 more good years left before he stagnates.

sbeefyk2 wrote:

Carlos Lopes 27:17 at 37 wrote:

He's not African.

But he’s been training like them for 4-5 years. And he clearly matured and developed very very early. He only has 2-3 more good years left before he stagnates.

Then why doesn't Henrik and Filip stagnate?

almost over the hill wrote:

Halviking wrote:

Jakob has had his yearly threshold test. The new result is between 21-22 km/h.

Not bad to be 18y.

Not bad at 18? He only has a couple more good years left...

Kenenisa Bekele (ETH) Age 21 12:37.35

Haile Gebrselassie (ETH) Age 25 12:39.36

Daniel Komen (KEN) Age 21 12:39.74

Eliud Kipchoge (KEN) Age 19 12:46.53

Dejen Gebremeskel (ETH) Age 22 12:46.81

Sileshi Sihine (ETH) Age 21 12:47.04

Hagos Gebriwhet (ETH) Age 18 12:47.53

Isaiah Koech (KEN) Age 18 12:48.64

Isaac Songok (KEN) Age 22 12:48.66

Yenew Alamirew (ETH) Age 22 12:48.77

Stephen Cherono (KEN) Age 20 12:48.81

Thomas Longosiwa (KEN) Age 20 12:49.04

Not bad for any age. Seriously, wtf, man?

almost over the hill wrote:

Halviking wrote:

Jakob has had his yearly threshold test. The new result is between 21-22 km/h.

Not bad to be 18y.

Not bad at 18? He only has a couple more good years left...

Kenenisa Bekele (ETH) Age 21 12:37.35

Haile Gebrselassie (ETH) Age 25 12:39.36

Daniel Komen (KEN) Age 21 12:39.74

Eliud Kipchoge (KEN) Age 19 12:46.53

Dejen Gebremeskel (ETH) Age 22 12:46.81

Sileshi Sihine (ETH) Age 21 12:47.04

Hagos Gebriwhet (ETH) Age 18 12:47.53

Isaiah Koech (KEN) Age 18 12:48.64

Isaac Songok (KEN) Age 22 12:48.66

Yenew Alamirew (ETH) Age 22 12:48.77

Stephen Cherono (KEN) Age 20 12:48.81

Thomas Longosiwa (KEN) Age 20 12:49.04

I think Jakob Ingebrigtsen Will be like Eliud Kipchoge and Bernard Lagat meaning a real long career, Lagat ran 13:06 For 5000 about 3 months before his 42nd Birthday, And I think Ingebrigtsen will start breaking 13 for 5000 in 2-3 years, get way under at age 25 and still be able to break 13 in his early to mid 40's.

As far as the test why not just run a Half Marathon to see how far under an hour he can go currently?

dsrunner wrote:

On the other hand, threshold tests are outdated and simplistic thinking.

Nebulous at best, moronic at worst.

Aside from the conceptual shortcomings, protocol influences especially, the 'threshold' is always arbitrarily defined and always ignores the non-steady state slow component in VO2 kinetics. A threshold parameter can be measured as slower but racing performance still improved. Moreover, there is the inadvertent assist in treadmill running at high speeds, especially under the optimal testing conditions, to minimize heat build-up.

Certainly, Mills, Keino, Moorcroft, McChesney, Musyoki, Gebresalassie and Lagat trained quality, as many top endurance athletes prefer running faster to slower.

What do you mean by inadvertent assist at high speeds. How is the assist being provided?

almost over the hill wrote:

Halviking wrote:

Jakob has had his yearly threshold test. The new result is between 21-22 km/h.

Not bad to be 18y.

Not bad at 18? He only has a couple more good years left...

Kenenisa Bekele (ETH) Age 21 12:37.35

Haile Gebrselassie (ETH) Age 25 12:39.36

Daniel Komen (KEN) Age 21 12:39.74

Eliud Kipchoge (KEN) Age 19 12:46.53

Dejen Gebremeskel (ETH) Age 22 12:46.81

Sileshi Sihine (ETH) Age 21 12:47.04

Hagos Gebriwhet (ETH) Age 18 12:47.53

Isaiah Koech (KEN) Age 18 12:48.64

Isaac Songok (KEN) Age 22 12:48.66

Yenew Alamirew (ETH) Age 22 12:48.77

Stephen Cherono (KEN) Age 20 12:48.81

Thomas Longosiwa (KEN) Age 20 12:49.04

thanks cool,

What is this "test"?

If he hasn't run a HM in sub-60, I don't care what some test says his "threshold" is.

All the Ingebrigtsen brothers will run a 10k race this weekend in Norway.

That will be interesting

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fake news all day wrote:

What is this "test"?

If he hasn't run a HM in sub-60, I don't care what some test says his "threshold" is.

Educate yourself.

Half this thread has been dedicated to comparing Jakob's legit PRs to those of drugged-up 27-year-old African "teenagers." It's a bunch of cornball nonsense. Jakob is the real deal, currently one of the top clean athletes on Earth.

Carlos Lopes 27:17 at 37 wrote:

He's not African.

sbeefyk2 wrote:

But he’s been training like them for 4-5 years. And he clearly matured and developed very very early. He only has 2-3 more good years left before he stagnates.

TresholdFTW wrote:

Then why doesn't Henrik and Filip stagnate?

I thought they had.

threshold of what? If he goes faster than 22kph what supposedly happens?

Bad Wigins wrote:

threshold of what? If he goes faster than 22kph what supposedly happens?

What happens is he won’t be able to hold that pace for an hour.

Aside from his youth, what other athlete has gotten to 3:31/mutiple Euro titles without a whiff of injury? And it's not like he isn't racing a lot. He is freakishly durable so far, much more so than his brothers.

Bad Wigins wrote:

threshold of what? If he goes faster than 22kph what supposedly happens?

He builds up amounts lactic acid that is unable to be buffered.

Hco3 wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

threshold of what? If he goes faster than 22kph what supposedly happens?

He builds up amounts lactic acid that is unable to be buffered.

Obviously I was just baiting this "correct" but totally wrong 1960s broscience answer. Thanks.

Intramuscular acidity is a good, synergistic thing - it increases rates of gas exchange between blood and muscle. Conversely this increased rate of gas exchange clears acidity faster. You can test this yourself on a track by comparing all-out 200m repeats with and without being warmed up aerobically.

The real problem in longer distance races is that so-called "type 2 muscle" fatigues more quickly and starts to produce less power. Not acidity, it just gets tired or low on glycogen, which it consumes quickly. What happens then? You slow down. Or, in the classic 10,000m burnout, you change your form looking for less-fatigued type 2 muscles to take over. But these work less efficiently and have fewer type 1 muscle fibers around them to enable higher gas exchange rates to clear acid from them. THEN you get excess co2 in the blood, overbreathing to clear it, finally constricted arteries in the muscles, and the lurching gassed runner is out the back - and often going dramatically slower than before.

Ingebrigtsen is a mid-d guy. 3:31 is not going to be bothered at first by a 27:15-28:30 10k pace, and not over any kind of threshold. But those mid-d muscles start falling off after a few minutes. I would not bet on him running a sub-60 HM.