Did anyone else have Eliud's 4:38 marathon pace exceed their mile PR?

I could probably maintain that pace for 300m. 400 if my life depended on it... downhill... maybe.

I could probably at my fittest do maybe 2 miles with him but then I'd die. It's unbelievable how fast he is.

I am not buying it. There is no way you ran 2:24:12 marathon (80-81 seconds per 400m) and at the same time you could not run 68-70 seconds per 400m.

Banana Beard wrote:

Jimmy21 wrote:

I have no idea what i could do in the mile, but id imagine somewhere around 4:50, give or take. Its unfathomable to run that for a marathon, but theres plenty of people that cant run my marathon pace for a mile and its mind boggling to run it for a marathon

What does this mean? Are you saying it's mind boggling to you yourself personally that you can run at your marathon pace for a marathon?

No. It seems normal and unimpressive to me to run a marathon at my pace. (Aiming for 6:25 at the next one.) Lots of people race a 5k at 10 minute pace and its mind boggling to them. The same effect that elites have on me.

Zjsjqic wrote:

Banana Bread wrote:

Is that meant to be witty? How long did it take you to come up with that insult?

Too bad you can't think faster or you'd know the answer to those questions.

Good one Zjsjqic. I'm not going to bother wasting my time on you. Your witless replies have no effect on me. I'm just going to laugh now. I'm sure Bekele would laugh at you if he was here to.

broken arrow wrote:

amkelley wrote:

Dang, I was a 2:43 marathoner at my best, but even at my best there's no way I ever could have run 4:38/mile pace for even 400 m. I'm not sure that I was ever able to run under 18 s for 100 m!

I don't think most runners can actually comprehend what he did, I know I can't really grasp it. I ran 2:24:12 in my prime and at that time I could not run that pace for over 400 meters.

In my prime, I ran 2:06:06, but I’m quite sure I couldn’t run 4:38 mile even in a flat out 60m.

ol git wrote:

He is the first marathoner to do so for me (4:39 PR)

Yep, my 1600 PR is 4:40, so about a 4:41-2 mile. I’m more embarrassed by the fact the beer mile world record is faster than my PR...

With a 4:18 PR (indoor mile) I'm still safe for the time being, and think I will be for the foreseeable future. Eliud is however a couple of seconds per mile faster than I was when I ran my 5000M PR (my best race).

rare wrote:

ol git wrote:

He is the first marathoner to do so for me (4:39 PR)

Yep, my 1600 PR is 4:40, so about a 4:41-2 mile. I’m more embarrassed by the fact the beer mile world record is faster than my PR...

Corey ran his last two laps in 2:07 (including chugging a beer), which is only a few seconds off my 800 PR.

I ran a 4:51 downhill road mile in Golden Gate Park when I was 37 and felt like I was sprinting the entire distance. It's mind boggling to think someone could do that for 26 miles plus another fifth of a mile.

If you take the 8 best women 5k Runner’s and have them run a relay marathon, Eliud would beat them by a few seconds

Bib #1 wrote:

If you take the 8 best women 5k Runner’s and have them run a relay marathon, Eliud would beat them by a few seconds

Yeah alright but could he get pregnant and pop out eight new humans in 9 months from now? I bet NOT

Idontbuyit wrote:

I am not buying it. There is no way you ran 2:24:12 marathon (80-81 seconds per 400m) and at the same time you could not run 68-70 seconds per 400m.

Sorry to disappoint you then, but I had no basic speed and in the late 70s early 80s I was one of many runners doing big mileage, and in my case, 110- 120 mph. I was a strength runner. Also my Marathon PR pace was closer to 83 seconds per 400m. Not sure what I can say.

They had a giant treadmill at Chicago where runners tried to run 200 meters at Eliud’s WR marathon pace. Some runners could do it... others failed. I think I could do 400 meters and maybe up to 800 meters at his pace but that’s about it. 4:52 track mile recently so I am pretty sure I could not run a mile at Kipchoge’s WR MP.

20 years ago I did a 4:42, after so many knee surgeries my hope is just to run again some day.

It's pretty close to my 1500 PR (4:34) :)

bad genetics wrote:

20 years ago I did a 4:42, after so many knee surgeries my hope is just to run again some day.

The doc wanted to scope my knees 40 years ago, as at age 22 I was hobbling around like an old man. "Bad genetics", I guess.

Instead I just stopped training like an idiot, and my "genetics" miraculously got "better". Now in my 60s with zero injury issues. It's a bloody "genetic" miracle.

broken arrow wrote:

Idontbuyit wrote:

I am not buying it. There is no way you ran 2:24:12 marathon (80-81 seconds per 400m) and at the same time you could not run 68-70 seconds per 400m.

Sorry to disappoint you then, but I had no basic speed and in the late 70s early 80s I was one of many runners doing big mileage, and in my case, 110- 120 mph. I was a strength runner. Also my Marathon PR pace was closer to 83 seconds per 400m. Not sure what I can say.

2:24:12 is around 82.5 per 440.

I also have a hard time believing you could not run 69.5 for a single 440.

I knew many 2:24 marathoners. All of them could run at least 4:30 for a mile. Yes, some were more like 4:30 and some were more like 4:15. So some where grinders and some not.

I did know someone who was around a 2:39 marathoner who could only run 4:52, but even he could run 69.5 (for more than one lap).

At 17, I'm with him for 5 laps. At 50 , for 900 meters. At 60, for 600 meters.