Kip Keino and six other senior Kenyan officials charged with corruption

I don't deny that Keino was a great athlete, but he got remarkably lucky, and his victory is somewhat 'odd' (and discredited if he is found guilty) just like virtually every other Kenyan Olympic champion's before the EPO era, especially the middle-distance.

Ryun was the superior runner, as he proved time and time again before and after Mexico, which will likely remain the only Olympics held at high altitude.

It's funny how you don't seem upset at all that Kenio has tarnished his own reputation, and that of Kenya's (in this year of disgrace) by funnelling millions of dollars away from young athletes seeking their own Olympic glory just so he can buy a bigger house and more expensive clothes.

1. Kenya's success was almost overnight in the 60's. Previously, they had been useful pacemakers in the UK in the 50's, with no apparent ability to last the pace. At one such meet, a Dutch doctor was famously in the stand, took one look at the long limbed 2% body fat African runners leading, and promptly told journalists that Kenyans were genetically superior runners. Within a few years, he was head of Kenyan athletics and his athletes were beginning to dominate. The only hiccup was in the summer of 1968, when Kenio and the rest were underperforming after a 'revolt' (led by Keino) had deposed him from his position, to which he was restored just in time for Mexico.

2. Yeah, no excuses, Ryun could have gone to train in Scotland.

3. Yeah, thanks for pointing out that Kenio was in a hospital bed as far as the other runners were concerned and were surprised to see him lineup (Ryun didn't follow his pace because he feared Keino would literally die having been told he was near death in hospital), yet the other Kenyan still rabbitted him as per team instructions. Very odd.

^ If Kip turned out to be an elephant and rhino poacher, it still wouldn’t take away from his greatness and fearlessness as an athlete. I’ve already posted a tweet showing Kenyans are starting to question his hitherto unimpeachable character even though he hasn’t been found guilty and chances are he may be cleared. While it my affect his standing and chances of ending up on Kenyan currency as many think he could, he will forever remain the father of Kenyan running.

Coevett wrote:

Ryun was the superior runner, as he proved time and time again before and after Mexico

Maybe.

He still lost by 20m on the day.

A good time to repost the Keino-Ryun documentary for the two or three people who haven't seen it. Hear it from the horses' mouths instead of relying on Coevett.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myyIw4neVik&t=8s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yyB-9NOn3Q&t=33s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_dHmrsM31s&t=53s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D93QaR8ydUg&t=82s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCL7_rEjCzI&t=41s

Never say never. Wasn't Coe accused of a conflict of interest, being paid generously as a Nike ambassador at a time when Oregon was controversially awarded a 2021 Athletics World Championships without a bidding process? This is currently being investigated by the FBI and the IRS and French prosecutors. Now, holding yourself to your own standard of any corruption, even alleged corruption, means all corruption and is 50 years retroactive, you should not hesitate to argue that Coe was a doper his whole career, because someone accused him of personally lining his pockets with Nike money, while using his position to lobby on behalf of Nike.

Coevett wrote:

Somebody (and El K, of course) mentioned Coe and corruption. Coe has never been accused of using his position for personal financial gain. If Coe was arrested for funneling millions of pounds due to go to help British Olympic athletes train, directly into his own pocket, I would have no hesitation in believing that he was likely a doper in his career after all.

What Keino is being accused of is very serious. To believe that he could break the rules (and law) in such a public position and $hit on his fellow athletes today just to line his own pocket, yet he wouldn't have taken any roids when they were freely available in the 60's with no effective testing. Yeah, right.

Millions of dollars? The BBC said: "More than 55m shillings ($545,542; £414,607) meant for the athletes was allegedly siphoned off." And this is allegedly split up to 7 ways.

Coevett wrote:

It's funny how you don't seem upset at all that Kenio has tarnished his own reputation, and that of Kenya's (in this year of disgrace) by funnelling millions of dollars away from young athletes seeking their own Olympic glory just so he can buy a bigger house and more expensive clothes.

Coevett wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

Firstly, there is every chance someone like Keino was on roids at 1968 Olympics, there is nothing to say Ryun wasn't either. The truth is Keino won, Keino vs Ryun doesn't matter because not long later Walker came a long and was faster and 1000 times cooler than both combined.

And Filbert Bayi and Rono were better, cleaner versions of Keino.

Question has a Kenyan ever run faster than Tanzanian Bayi without a pacer?

Subway Surfers wrote:

Coevett wrote:

And Filbert Bayi and Rono were better, cleaner versions of Keino.

Question has a Kenyan ever run faster than Tanzanian Bayi without a pacer?

Answer yes.

rekrunner wrote:

Millions of dollars?

The BBC said: "More than 55m shillings ($545,542; £414,607) meant for the athletes was allegedly siphoned off."

And this is allegedly split up to 7 ways.

Coevett wrote:

It's funny how you don't seem upset at all that Kenio has tarnished his own reputation, and that of Kenya's (in this year of disgrace) by funnelling millions of dollars away from young athletes seeking their own Olympic glory just so he can buy a bigger house and more expensive clothes.

lol

Coevett "facts".

Barakus Obama wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Ryun was recovering from illness earlier in the year. He lost by twenty metres to a runner he had owned before '68, who ran the best race of his life (and altitude performance) from his sick-bed. As usual, nothing to see here - even though the said runner is now on corruption charges. How surprising.

You're contradicting yourself

How so? One athlete - Ryun - struggles to recover from an illness months earlier, while the other - Keino - was ill immediately before the race, and yet his recovery is such he blows the field away (and Ryun, who had dominated him over 66/67) in the performance of his life. For those who think Keino was unbeatable that day (and he was), it simply begs the question how he was able to achieve his unprecedented form and off his sick bed. Miracles typically have a prosaic explanation. So how much do we trust the integrity of an athlete with the shadow of sports corruption charges hanging over him? Would such an athlete have doped? A rhetorical question, surely.

^ i.e. Still butthurt 50 years later.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Barakus Obama wrote:

You're contradicting yourself

How so? One athlete - Ryun - struggles to recover from an illness months earlier, while the other - Keino - was ill immediately before the race, and yet his recovery is such he blows the field away (and Ryun, who had dominated him over 66/67) in the performance of his life. For those who think Keino was unbeatable that day (and he was), it simply begs the question how he was able to achieve his unprecedented form and off his sick bed. Miracles typically have a prosaic explanation. So how much do we trust the integrity of an athlete with the shadow of sports corruption charges hanging over him? Would such an athlete have doped? A rhetorical question, surely.

It's pointless trying to explain things to you (under any one of your handles), like the difference between Ryun's and Keino's illnesses.

You have made up your mind so why do you even bother asking rhetorical questions? You answer them yourself.

If I or anyone else answers differently, you will still hold on to your bias.

Like the way you are holding on to yours?

Corruption = cheating. Doping = cheating. Same diff. Someone capable of one is capable of the other. Except to blind pillocks on Letsrun.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Corruption = cheating. Doping = cheating. Same diff. Someone capable of one is capable of the other. Except to blind pillocks on Letsrun.

Ahhh yes, the famed Logic studies. According to you Corruption = Doping.

And no, no bias on my side. I don't accuse people just because of their nationality, unlike yourself.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Corruption = cheating. Doping = cheating. Same diff. Someone capable of one is capable of the other. Except to blind pillocks on Letsrun.

lolz dont worry someone will surly post that corruption is actually just a placebo, and kenyans are too nice to do corruption and if they were involved in corruption its impossible that they took any more than 1% of the money, and that its all a white mans conspiracy to make them look bad

m!ndweak wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Corruption = cheating. Doping = cheating. Same diff. Someone capable of one is capable of the other. Except to blind pillocks on Letsrun.

lolz dont worry someone will surly post that corruption is actually just a placebo, and kenyans are too nice to do corruption and if they were involved in corruption its impossible that they took any more than 1% of the money, and that its all a white mans conspiracy to make them look bad

Maybe you should take EPO, Chad. Maybe that would improve your brain capacity from 1 to 4%.

booooobooooo wrote:

m!ndweak wrote:

lolz dont worry someone will surly post that corruption is actually just a placebo, and kenyans are too nice to do corruption and if they were involved in corruption its impossible that they took any more than 1% of the money, and that its all a white mans conspiracy to make them look bad

Maybe you should take EPO, Chad. Maybe that would improve your brain capacity from 1 to 4%.

well i think its a performance enhancing placebo, for brain capacity i would have to use rekrunners magna opus, but from what i have heard it at best can only give me a 1% boost at best....im better off arguing the finer points of vent/calculos proclamation of jim ryuns 1'39 800m