yes, that is what I have read, which seems more consistent with a strategy of heading toward NXN, which in reality seems less and less likely from a team perspective as the season progresses. If I was her, I would care less about a real fast run on Bear Mountain, than at some point going hard at Bowdoin and Van Cortlandt and Balboa Park. But that is just me.
it is always nice to hear a good argument backed up with facts............
Duane wrote:
it is always nice to hear a good argument backed up with facts............
You have no facts idiot. You're claiming that she's tired from too many hard efforts. How stupid are you? Do you even run? Are you a hobby jogger? Is your boyfriend upsetting you? Hint: Running is not your thing, find something else to work on. Hard efforts? Laughing so hard it's hard to stop! She's been training all Summer and she can only run a few hard races. That is hilarious!
Paralysis from Over Analysis wrote:
Oh give it a rest. Number of hard efforts? Run the season and run hard, everybody else is. I'm sure as a Junior that she'll run a few hard efforts a never recover...what a bunch of over-thinking pansy a$$ runners trying to sound soooooo smart. She was bent over, big deal! She got beat in a mile because of THAT race 2 weeks later. You guys are incredibly dumb.
This guy's right. Let's encourage her coaches to run her into the ground. Why not! She's in HS! Who cares that female prodigies routinely burn out due to over-racing and pressure! Who cares that she does not run a typical HS schedule and will likely compete in a much longer season due to national competitions!
She's a once-in-a-generation talent, not some mid-pack runner who won't compete after HS.
STFU and let her coaches guide her correctly.
I never said she was tired, go check - that was not my post.
I think you read this post
"Totally agree with that statement.
My one worry is the number of hard efforts Tuohy may do this season. The only time I saw Tuohy "bent-over" tired last year was after the amazing indoor 5000 meter race in Virginia (15:37) and two weeks later she got beat by three girls at the Millrose Mile. Maybe she is human.
She did an announced fartlek workout at Section 1 Coaches XC meet last year at Bowdoin Park (17:28). A number of coaches watched and she did do a fartlek workout. Her overall pace was 12 seconds per mile slower than her course record time at Bowdoin a few weeks later (16:52) which made it one heck of a workout. Counting that meet this year, she will be running Bowdoin at least three more times this season (Section 1 Championship, NY Federations) and maybe NXR. One of those is meant to break the Bowdoin record again. Also expected is an all-out effort at Sunken Meadow at State Championships.
Tuohy expended some effort at both Holmdel Park (16:21) and Rhode Island (16:06). In her MileSplit interview after Holmdel, she said Bowdoin is a harder course than Holmdel and that her level of effort was the same at Holmdel as it was in Rhode Island. Some coaches think Sunken Meadow is harder than Bowdoin. Worried about too many hard efforts and any national race."
which was posted by "Paralysis from Over Analysis" which is not me.
wtfbbq wrote:
Paralysis from Over Analysis wrote:
Oh give it a rest. Number of hard efforts? Run the season and run hard, everybody else is. I'm sure as a Junior that she'll run a few hard efforts a never recover...what a bunch of over-thinking pansy a$$ runners trying to sound soooooo smart. She was bent over, big deal! She got beat in a mile because of THAT race 2 weeks later. You guys are incredibly dumb.
This guy's right. Let's encourage her coaches to run her into the ground. Why not! She's in HS! Who cares that female prodigies routinely burn out due to over-racing and pressure! Who cares that she does not run a typical HS schedule and will likely compete in a much longer season due to national competitions!
She's a once-in-a-generation talent, not some mid-pack runner who won't compete after HS.
STFU and let her coaches guide her correctly.
Yeah, let's not run her at all. Two, maybe 3 races per season and start training for track, then run 2 or 3 races there. Let's have 2 hard efforts for the season because we'd hate to have you the least bit fatigued at 16 years old! Sissy posters who know nothing about running.
STFU and keep off the boards little man. You couldn't break 21 for a 5k and you think you know what your'e talking about.
wtfbbq wrote:
Paralysis from Over Analysis wrote:
Oh give it a rest. Number of hard efforts? Run the season and run hard, everybody else is. I'm sure as a Junior that she'll run a few hard efforts a never recover...what a bunch of over-thinking pansy a$$ runners trying to sound soooooo smart. She was bent over, big deal! She got beat in a mile because of THAT race 2 weeks later. You guys are incredibly dumb.
This guy's right. Let's encourage her coaches to run her into the ground. Why not! She's in HS! Who cares that female prodigies routinely burn out due to over-racing and pressure! Who cares that she does not run a typical HS schedule and will likely compete in a much longer season due to national competitions!
She's a once-in-a-generation talent, not some mid-pack runner who won't compete after HS.
STFU and let her coaches guide her correctly.
Everyone who runs is making an effort, their best effort. Her effort just gets her from point A to point B faster. I agree with poster, many of you are over thinking it.
A dual meet is one thing, but the couple big meets that she ran were not races where she barely made an effort or was just a workout. Her coaches and others can "say" what they want, that doesn't mean that that's the way the race played out. Have any of you ran high school cross country?
wtfbbq wrote:
Paralysis from Over Analysis wrote:
Oh give it a rest. Number of hard efforts? Run the season and run hard, everybody else is. I'm sure as a Junior that she'll run a few hard efforts a never recover...what a bunch of over-thinking pansy a$$ runners trying to sound soooooo smart. She was bent over, big deal! She got beat in a mile because of THAT race 2 weeks later. You guys are incredibly dumb.
This guy's right. Let's encourage her coaches to run her into the ground. Why not! She's in HS! Who cares that female prodigies routinely burn out due to over-racing and pressure! Who cares that she does not run a typical HS schedule and will likely compete in a much longer season due to national competitions!
She's a once-in-a-generation talent, not some mid-pack runner who won't compete after HS.
STFU and let her coaches guide her correctly.
Over-racing? Try actually racing numbnuts!:):):) What an ignorant comment to make. Run her into the ground? Dear God you are one ignorant SOB!
Forrest Gumpster wrote:
Over-racing? Try actually racing numbnuts!:):):) What an ignorant comment to make. Run her into the ground? Dear God you are one ignorant SOB!
Yup.
Using 3 different screennames to make the same comment. Sure seems credible.
wtfbbq wrote:
Forrest Gumpster wrote:
Over-racing? Try actually racing numbnuts!:):):) What an ignorant comment to make. Run her into the ground? Dear God you are one ignorant SOB!
Yup.
Using 3 different screennames to make the same comment. Sure seems credible.
I think you were triggered and you got soundly beat. That sure seems credible to me. I posted on page 2, I think you just got a beat down from 3 different people and you don't know how to respond, besides pee your pants.
wtfbbq wrote:
Forrest Gumpster wrote:
Over-racing? Try actually racing numbnuts!:):):) What an ignorant comment to make. Run her into the ground? Dear God you are one ignorant SOB!
Yup.
Using 3 different screennames to make the same comment. Sure seems credible.
Nope. Ask for an IP check dude, I encourage it. I posted once on this thread, just once, two counting this one. You're obviously insecure about your comments or why did you come back with nothing, zero facts? Stay on the sidelines goofy, it's a better role for you.
Fair enough, I'm not the brightest bulb in the package.
Racing too much or too hard isn’t the issue. Being lean af is where these girls get in trouble. Just look at two of the top girls from CA that were national class last XC season and between the two of them have done one race this season.
If you want KT to be racing for a while yet the best thing for her would be to put on 3-4 pounds of fat. It wouldn’t slow her down much in the short term and long term her chances to be world class would go way up.
Duh fax wrote:
Racing too much or too hard isn’t the issue. Being lean af is where these girls get in trouble. Just look at two of the top girls from CA that were national class last XC season and between the two of them have done one race this season.
If you want KT to be racing for a while yet the best thing for her would be to put on 3-4 pounds of fat. It wouldn’t slow her down much in the short term and long term her chances to be world class would go way up.
Her name is Katelyn, not KT. No really, it's Katelyn. Trust me, I know;)
Yes, I know that her racing isn't an issue, it's the other 99% of bonehead posters who are clueless and think it's all about rest, rest, rest. Just try really hard in 3 or 4 races the whole season....>>>dumb and ignorant beyond belief.
Has anyone mentioned the curse of Cain that may be looming?
Not as simple as going from point A to point B. A lightly-trained mid pack runner going hard 7 races a season isn’t the same as a prodigy who is training hard year round and competing in extended seasons. The mileage and speed work to be able to run 16 min 5k races would be a lot.
Her school is smart for reining it in. There has never been another HS American girl like her. She is likely competing at US Championships next summer.
She’s not running for our entertainment, she’s running for herself. Expecting her to go hard every effort is a failure to understand what it is like to compete and train at the highest level.
Hey kitty girl wrote:
Not as simple as going from point A to point B. A lightly-trained mid pack runner going hard 7 races a season isn’t the same as a prodigy who is training hard year round and competing in extended seasons. The mileage and speed work to be able to run 16 min 5k races would be a lot.
Her school is smart for reining it in. There has never been another HS American girl like her. She is likely competing at US Championships next summer.
She’s not running for our entertainment, she’s running for herself. Expecting her to go hard every effort is a failure to understand what it is like to compete and train at the highest level.
blah, blah, blah! learn to comprehend dummy. she's not running hard in 7 races a season. the point by many was she can run a few big meets hard and still recover, easily. to callous yourself to run hard, you have to run hard...you can't do it 2 times a season. entertainment? now I've heard it all, fish much? the mileage and spadework is NOT what you appear to think it is. she's just gifted and can run faster. do you know what Katelyn ran as a 7th grader? she's gifted and can simply do repeat miles faster because of it. do try to read a running book or go back to runner's world, they'd appreciate you there. adios old man!
Hey kitty girl wrote:
Not as simple as going from point A to point B. A lightly-trained mid pack runner going hard 7 races a season isn’t the same as a prodigy who is training hard year round and competing in extended seasons. The mileage and speed work to be able to run 16 min 5k races would be a lot.
Her school is smart for reining it in. There has never been another HS American girl like her. She is likely competing at US Championships next summer.
She’s not running for our entertainment, she’s running for herself. Expecting her to go hard every effort is a failure to understand what it is like to compete and train at the highest level.
Totally disagree with this.
Hey sissy boy wrote:
blah, blah, blah! learn to comprehend dummy. she's not running hard in 7 races a season. the point by many was she can run a few big meets hard and still recover, easily. to callous yourself to run hard, you have to run hard...you can't do it 2 times a season. entertainment? now I've heard it all, fish much? the mileage and spadework is NOT what you appear to think it is. she's just gifted and can run faster. do you know what Katelyn ran as a 7th grader? she's gifted and can simply do repeat miles faster because of it. do try to read a running book or go back to runner's world, they'd appreciate you there. adios old man!
First off, I’m not a boy nor an old man but thanks, bud!
Secondly, your attempted insults aside, I think we agree on a lot here. She’s definitely an incredible talent and yeah, theyre smart for choosing a few meets to race hard.
I’m hoping she chooses footlocker this year!
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