Katelyn Tuohy takes on Sunken Meadow

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1 year ago 10/14/2018 8:52pm CDT
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kmaclam wrote:

Strange and questionable wrote:

kmaclam wrote:

I do not have any 'insider' dope, but would have to believe this was a hard workout (she checked her watch multiple times in first 1/2 mile) and certainly not an all out effort.

Why would she check her watch in the first half mile???

And why would her checking her watch lead you to conclude the type of effort she was making???

Because if her coach did indeed instruct her on how to approach the race (do you believe they didn't have a race plan?) with say, 'Go out in 5:20/5:20 and then run how you feel the last mile', how else could she follow coaches directive without looking at her watch? At the 1/2 mile mark she had tops 8 - 10 seconds on the field, indicating she was running well within herself as her margin of victory equated to a run at 23 seconds per 1/2 mile faster than the next fastest girl in the field. Somewhere later in the race (after Cardiac as the article says) with all the hard stuff out of the way, she felt good and finished strong. A progression run?

Wow, a careful, logical, well-supported analysis, backed up by actual *evidence.*
Are you sure you're in the right place?

Seriously, nice antidote to the dip-sh*t morons calling her and her coach *liars,* without any basis whatsoever.

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1 year ago 10/14/2018 9:06pm CDT
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From MileSplit........"It was meant to be a workout. Not one of the prescribed "full efforts" that had made the anticipation for Ocean State and Shore Coaches palpable. But the difficulty of the Sunken Meadow Course would ultimately sway that race plan. After you've put in the work, and crested the top of Cardiac Hill, what's stopping you from attacking the downhills all the way to finish? For Katelyn Tuohy, nothing was.

There was clear pacing through the first two miles, still hilly in their own right, as Tuohy took the course for a tour ahead of the New York State Meet, to be held at Sunken Meadow on November 10th. The original plan was to simply scout the layout, learn the intricacies of one of the Nation's slowest courses. To run 30seconds hard, then 30 seconds relaxed. Evidenced by glances at the watch, the plan was well into effect. That is, as we mentioned, until after cresting Cardiac."

Almost verbatim what we've believed all along. Not calling it gospel, just further corroboration.
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1 year ago 10/14/2018 9:15pm CDT
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Update wrote:

According to the article she ran 2 mile as a workout and then felt good enough to run the last downhill mile hard. So, call it whatever you want (super hard workout?), but it was definitely not race effort from start to finish.

You described a race effort, then said it wasn't a race effort. Make up your mind.
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1 year ago 10/14/2018 10:39pm CDT
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apparently you struggle with English "There was clear pacing through the first two miles, still hilly in their own right, as Tuohy took the course for a tour ahead of the New York State Meet, to be held at Sunken Meadow on November 10th. The original plan was to simply scout the layout, learn the intricacies of one of the Nation's slowest courses. To run 30 seconds hard, then 30 seconds relaxed. " You are also at odds with the on the scene observer as to her pace versus the field. Her history when running hard is to take it out very hard from the start, which again per the on the scene observer, she did not. Just accept the fact, that at least for her, this was not a race effort.
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1 year ago 10/15/2018 12:39am CDT
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I had a hard time believing her 16:25 at Bear Mountain in September last year was a workout (which I believe was the 30 seconds on 30 seconds off workout she did Saturday) until she ran 15:55 at counties... She really is that good.
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1 year ago 10/15/2018 10:26am CDT
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"Wow, a careful, logical, well-supported analysis, backed up by actual *evidence.*
Are you sure you're in the right place?

Seriously, nice antidote to the dip-sh*t morons calling her and her coach *liars,* without any basis whatsoever."

+1

my thoughts exactly, some people insist on drawing the line where they think it belongs and ignore what the data says

let's go to the beach

1 year ago 10/15/2018 10:42am CDT
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kmaclam wrote:
With our sport in such doldrums, this is a refreshing kick in the arsenal, no?

If you think running's in the doldrums, you should take a time machine to around 2000.
seems like a waste

1 year ago 10/15/2018 11:01am CDT
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From he local newspaper - https://www.lohud.com/story/sports/high-school/xcountry/2018/10/13/cross-country-another-week-and-another-course-record-tuohy/1635531002/

Next week, Tuohy and her teammates will compete on familiar ground at the Section 1 Coaches Invitational at Bowdoin Park in Wappingers Falls.

Tuohy set the girls record for that course last year but isn’t expected to try to break her own record until later this fall when the State Federation Championships are held there.

Classmate Haleigh Morales, who has been nursing a hip injury and may be held out of next week's meet,

The NR team is not good especially if they rest Morales so the question is why run Tuohy then if she is not going ot really run hard (if sh eis going to do it as a workout why not just do a workout) and let the other girls race.
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1 year ago 10/15/2018 11:05am CDT
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I think there is emphasis on the team aspect of the sport. If she is to do a workout that day, why not on the course (and the hills) where she has some races later this year?
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1 year ago 10/15/2018 11:52am CDT
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kmaclam wrote:

Xcxcxc101 wrote:

Touhy runs a lot. She was running fast and hard 2 hours before race time today. Her sprints off the starting line were not strides - they were sprint form- it was kinda weird to watch - as you won’t see things like that at a college meet. Who knows what her all out is now but I will say meylens speed ratings are confused by her and what she is doing. He is just wrong. But he will demand he is right

First off, I watched her warm up and it looked like 4 miles tops. And never did I see her running "fast and hard" Did the usual drills/plyos with teammates. And as far as that "sprint form" start - as I mentioned in above post, she went out very conservatively relative to the field. Early on I had her barely breaking the course record, but when she appeared out of the woods late in the race with 1/2 mile to go, it was obvious that she had it by a lot. Of course most all of this thread is just an excited fan base talking about, speculating, pondering, predicting, observing a female H.S. distance runner we've never seen the likes of here in the U.S. With our sport in such doldrums, this is a refreshing kick in the arsenal, no?

Actually its a bunch of middle aged men drooling rather creepily about a schoolgirl. We wouldn't be subjected to this amount of gushing if it was a boy. Particularly those one raving about how good she looks in a video (in which she appears to be running in her panties).

Perhaps we should hand out some Kleenex?
One Worry

1 year ago 10/15/2018 12:32pm CDT
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Duane wrote:

I think there is emphasis on the team aspect of the sport. If she is to do a workout that day, why not on the course (and the hills) where she has some races later this year?

Totally agree with that statement.

My one worry is the number of hard efforts Tuohy may do this season. The only time I saw Tuohy "bent-over" tired last year was after the amazing indoor 5000 meter race in Virginia (15:37) and two weeks later she got beat by three girls at the Millrose Mile. Maybe she is human.

She did an announced fartlek workout at Section 1 Coaches XC meet last year at Bowdoin Park (17:28). A number of coaches watched and she did do a fartlek workout. Her overall pace was 12 seconds per mile slower than her course record time at Bowdoin a few weeks later (16:52) which made it one heck of a workout. Counting that meet this year, she will be running Bowdoin at least three more times this season (Section 1 Championship, NY Federations) and maybe NXR. One of those is meant to break the Bowdoin record again. Also expected is an all-out effort at Sunken Meadow at State Championships.

Tuohy expended some effort at both Holmdel Park (16:21) and Rhode Island (16:06). In her MileSplit interview after Holmdel, she said Bowdoin is a harder course than Holmdel and that her level of effort was the same at Holmdel as it was in Rhode Island. Some coaches think Sunken Meadow is harder than Bowdoin. Worried about too many hard efforts and any national race.
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1 year ago 10/15/2018 12:46pm CDT
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Just watched video of interview after winning Easterns as a freshman - she says "hills are her kryptonite". I think that was a focus last year..

Agree on watching the number of hard races. She already has a time at Bowdoin that noone will come near to for at least a while. Following the 2 pretty hard efforts to date, why not wait until next year for a new record there (and Bear Mountain for that matter)?

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1 year ago 10/15/2018 7:11pm CDT
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She now enters the interesting part of the season where she will face challenges for the 1st time - not in the form of another runner, but from KT from last year. She will not start running on a few courses (Bowdoin and Bear Mt) where she ran hard last year and set a high standard so now we get to see can she match or beat those performances.
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1 year ago 10/15/2018 8:08pm CDT
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Duane wrote:

Her history when running hard is to take it out very hard from the start, which again per the on the scene observer, she did not. Just accept the fact, that at least for her, this was not a race effort.

Again someone contradicts themselves.

Obviously she paced herself BETTER this time compared to usual, which again supports this as being a race effort.
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1 year ago 10/15/2018 8:19pm CDT
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and I thought the stupid posts were only on the political boards......
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1 year ago 10/19/2018 10:44am CDT
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So is this weekend a race effort or a workout?

Will she still break the CR anyway?
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1 year ago 10/19/2018 11:00am CDT
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My guess which may not be worth much given how bad my guesses so far have been is no new record, low 17's as supposedly this will not be an all out effort. But looking at her schedule, this might be a good week to run hard, then relax the next several races before going back to Sunken Meadow, and then assuming she goes Foot Locker route going hard at Van Cortlandt (5K), then 2 weeks later hard at Nationals. But like I say, I have been way off (predicting slow) so far.
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1 year ago 10/19/2018 11:15am CDT
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Duane wrote:

My guess which may not be worth much given how bad my guesses so far have been is no new record, low 17's as supposedly this will not be an all out effort. But looking at her schedule, this might be a good week to run hard, then relax the next several races before going back to Sunken Meadow, and then assuming she goes Foot Locker route going hard at Van Cortlandt (5K), then 2 weeks later hard at Nationals. But like I say, I have been way off (predicting slow) so far.

She’s running Bear Mountain next Thursday as an all out effort. It is not wise for her to blow out the pipes at Bowdoin on Saturday.
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1 year ago 10/19/2018 11:18am CDT
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One Worry wrote:

Duane wrote:

I think there is emphasis on the team aspect of the sport. If she is to do a workout that day, why not on the course (and the hills) where she has some races later this year?

Totally agree with that statement.

My one worry is the number of hard efforts Tuohy may do this season. The only time I saw Tuohy "bent-over" tired last year was after the amazing indoor 5000 meter race in Virginia (15:37) and two weeks later she got beat by three girls at the Millrose Mile. Maybe she is human.

She did an announced fartlek workout at Section 1 Coaches XC meet last year at Bowdoin Park (17:28). A number of coaches watched and she did do a fartlek workout. Her overall pace was 12 seconds per mile slower than her course record time at Bowdoin a few weeks later (16:52) which made it one heck of a workout. Counting that meet this year, she will be running Bowdoin at least three more times this season (Section 1 Championship, NY Federations) and maybe NXR. One of those is meant to break the Bowdoin record again. Also expected is an all-out effort at Sunken Meadow at State Championships.

Tuohy expended some effort at both Holmdel Park (16:21) and Rhode Island (16:06). In her MileSplit interview after Holmdel, she said Bowdoin is a harder course than Holmdel and that her level of effort was the same at Holmdel as it was in Rhode Island. Some coaches think Sunken Meadow is harder than Bowdoin. Worried about too many hard efforts and any national race.

Oh give it a rest. Number of hard efforts? Run the season and run hard, everybody else is. I'm sure as a Junior that she'll run a few hard efforts a never recover...what a bunch of over-thinking pansy a$$ runners trying to sound soooooo smart. She was bent over, big deal! She got beat in a mile because of THAT race 2 weeks later. You guys are incredibly dumb.
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1 year ago 10/19/2018 11:20am CDT
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Duane wrote:

and I thought the stupid posts were only on the political boards......

Duane, you're a moron. Did you place last weekend in your local 5k? If not, try again tomorrow.