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kmaclam wrote:

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Strange and questionable wrote:

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kmaclam wrote:

I do not have any 'insider' dope, but would have to believe this was a hard workout (she checked her watch multiple times in first 1/2 mile) and certainly not an all out effort.

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Why would she check her watch in the first half mile???

And why would her checking her watch lead you to conclude the type of effort she was making???

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Because if her coach did indeed instruct her on how to approach the race (do you believe they didn't have a race plan?) with say, 'Go out in 5:20/5:20 and then run how you feel the last mile', how else could she follow coaches directive without looking at her watch? At the 1/2 mile mark she had tops 8 - 10 seconds on the field, indicating she was running well within herself as her margin of victory equated to a run at 23 seconds per 1/2 mile faster than the next fastest girl in the field. Somewhere later in the race (after Cardiac as the article says) with all the hard stuff out of the way, she felt good and finished strong. A progression run?

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Update wrote:

According to the article she ran 2 mile as a workout and then felt good enough to run the last downhill mile hard. So, call it whatever you want (super hard workout?), but it was definitely not race effort from start to finish.

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kmaclam wrote:
With our sport in such doldrums, this is a refreshing kick in the arsenal, no?

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Xcxcxc101 wrote:

Touhy runs a lot. She was running fast and hard 2 hours before race time today. Her sprints off the starting line were not strides - they were sprint form- it was kinda weird to watch - as you won’t see things like that at a college meet. Who knows what her all out is now but I will say meylens speed ratings are confused by her and what she is doing. He is just wrong. But he will demand he is right

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First off, I watched her warm up and it looked like 4 miles tops. And never did I see her running "fast and hard" Did the usual drills/plyos with teammates. And as far as that "sprint form" start - as I mentioned in above post, she went out very conservatively relative to the field. Early on I had her barely breaking the course record, but when she appeared out of the woods late in the race with 1/2 mile to go, it was obvious that she had it by a lot. Of course most all of this thread is just an excited fan base talking about, speculating, pondering, predicting, observing a female H.S. distance runner we've never seen the likes of here in the U.S. With our sport in such doldrums, this is a refreshing kick in the arsenal, no?

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Duane wrote:

I think there is emphasis on the team aspect of the sport. If she is to do a workout that day, why not on the course (and the hills) where she has some races later this year?

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Duane wrote:

Her history when running hard is to take it out very hard from the start, which again per the on the scene observer, she did not. Just accept the fact, that at least for her, this was not a race effort.

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Duane wrote:

My guess which may not be worth much given how bad my guesses so far have been is no new record, low 17's as supposedly this will not be an all out effort. But looking at her schedule, this might be a good week to run hard, then relax the next several races before going back to Sunken Meadow, and then assuming she goes Foot Locker route going hard at Van Cortlandt (5K), then 2 weeks later hard at Nationals. But like I say, I have been way off (predicting slow) so far.

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Duane wrote:

I think there is emphasis on the team aspect of the sport. If she is to do a workout that day, why not on the course (and the hills) where she has some races later this year?

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Totally agree with that statement.

My one worry is the number of hard efforts Tuohy may do this season. The only time I saw Tuohy "bent-over" tired last year was after the amazing indoor 5000 meter race in Virginia (15:37) and two weeks later she got beat by three girls at the Millrose Mile. Maybe she is human.

She did an announced fartlek workout at Section 1 Coaches XC meet last year at Bowdoin Park (17:28). A number of coaches watched and she did do a fartlek workout. Her overall pace was 12 seconds per mile slower than her course record time at Bowdoin a few weeks later (16:52) which made it one heck of a workout. Counting that meet this year, she will be running Bowdoin at least three more times this season (Section 1 Championship, NY Federations) and maybe NXR. One of those is meant to break the Bowdoin record again. Also expected is an all-out effort at Sunken Meadow at State Championships.

Tuohy expended some effort at both Holmdel Park (16:21) and Rhode Island (16:06). In her MileSplit interview after Holmdel, she said Bowdoin is a harder course than Holmdel and that her level of effort was the same at Holmdel as it was in Rhode Island. Some coaches think Sunken Meadow is harder than Bowdoin. Worried about too many hard efforts and any national race.

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Duane wrote:

and I thought the stupid posts were only on the political boards......

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