Where does Parker Stinson go from here?

I really think he is quite fit and could have run a lot better today if he just started more conservatively. Hansons training is often dumb as hell, but one thing they do it get their athletes to run appropriate paces in races. If he started at 5:00 pace (2:11) he has a much better race.

Going through 10k 30 seconds too fast can really affect your the remaining 32.2km.

Far Out West wrote:

Nenow ran 27:20 not 28:20.

FFF wrote:

He's essentially Nenow.

27:54 as a Duck. Not a bad place to build from.

As a runner you have to ask yourself... is 2:10-2:11 max potential for a marathon really worth it? I say no. I suppose if there are not any other job prospects then it’s fine. You gotta make that $30k-$40k a year to pay the bills but I don’t think a 2:11 marathon is worth the time and energy.

Here is the problem. I am not saying he can't run 2:10. But you know how many Africans are out there who can run sub 2:10 in their sleep? Isn't there a master's Kenyan who ran 2:10 recently?

2:10 just doesn't carry the weight anymore. The difference between 2:06 and 2:10 at this level is 16 blocks. That means when the 2:06 winner is crossing the finish at Tavern on the Green in NYCM, 2:10 guy maybe just made a turn onto Central Park South.

He should join NOP.

jeez, all these random people seem to know way better than Hudson and Parker how to run a marathon. you can't really blame him too much for the first 4 miles. had he not been up there he wouldn't have formed that pack of 5 who split 65:12 at halfway. that pack may never have existed at all without parker.

parker's young. he has some attention on him which is good. he probably wants to run a afster half marathon before his next full, which will probably be Boston or a mid-level spring marathon in the US or Canada.

"Is 2:10 worth it"

Er yes. It makes the Olympics for starters.

Also there are a load of competitions without Kenyans and dopers that he could clean up in.

You gonna tell every soccer player that isn't Ronaldo or Messi that it's not worth it unless they can bridge that gap?

And don't give me that "money" excuse. Capitalism is failing exactly because people are chasing the money instead of their dreams

Ill HS wrote:

I recently listened to a podcast interview with Stinson, and really became a fan. The kid is a real student of the sport. Does he need a coaching change? Perhaps just continue and stay consistent? After listening to the interview, I don't think he'll be happy.

It was his first marathon on a warm and humid day. He's young, and the marathon is an event to where you become more efficient in time, as long as your training and recovery is steady too. Way too many Monday AM QB's, find another hobby.

I like the guy, he's a character. he talks well etc.. people probablywant to see how he does because of this I'm sure

If he can actually listen to well known marathon pacing wisdom he could have a future even if he never runs say sub 2:09 (I'm thinking sponsorship etc)

In his interview post race he just didn't seem to have figured out that you can't get away with over extending your ability over the first 5 K of a marathon. certainly if its just your second marathon anyway. Im a bit dissapointed he didn't learn from the first time around.

as other have said if he goes out in say 5- 5:05 pace for first 3 miles he runs 2:12 high in my opinion.

He should do what most American male marathoners hoping for a breakthrough should do--race the distance more often. He ran CIM last December, went for it, blew up. Next attempt 10 months later, same thing. Don't wait another 10 months! Recover like crazy the next two weeks, get in a short block of non-heroic training, short taper, then run Houston. If no breakthrough there, target Pittsburgh in May or Grandmas in June, and then Chicago again.

From what I have seen in the Trackster series about Parker Stinson he has the right mentality and has only been 100% healthy for maybe a year or so. He is just 26 and has many years of miles and trials ahead of him before he is at his best. Stinson and Hudson will get the pacing figured out. I think starting way ahead of goal pace bit of a insecurity TBH, but as Stinson continues to stay healthy he will gain the confidence to hold back at the beginning of the marathon and attack the latter miles. He need to look no further than Mo Farah's performance and see discipline in the beginning of the marathon pays dividends when its time to race.

We have yet to see the best from Parker Stinson. I expect that he will continue to gradually improve his marathon training and racing over the next several years. He will be a contender for the team in 2020 and 2024.

-HStu

He should have ran Twin Cities...just race for the win...and still run 2:11:XX or whatever...

Hopefully he goes to some race in the spring that historically is won is around 2:10 and just run for the win.

The pacing early was definitely it. Just puzzling that people at the professional level still cannot understand flying early kills you late.

sbeefyk2 wrote:

As a runner you have to ask yourself... is 2:10-2:11 max potential for a marathon really worth it? I say no. I suppose if there are not any other job prospects then it’s fine. You gotta make that $30k-$40k a year to pay the bills but I don’t think a 2:11 marathon is worth the time and energy.

2:10 to 2:11 will put you on the US Olympic Team.

So yea, it's worth it.

HarrierStu wrote:

From what I have seen in the Trackster series about Parker Stinson he has the right mentality and has only been 100% healthy for maybe a year or so. He is just 26 and has many years of miles and trials ahead of him before he is at his best.

-HStu

This is a problem with U.S. men's marathoning. There's no urgency. Everyone thinks there's always plenty of time. There's not! When Ryan Hall started to struggle in his late 20s, people on here were like "the kid has lots of time to figure it out."

Remember the 2012 marathon trials? Lots of guys had breakthroughs; top 11 were sub-2:13. Other than the big names in places 1-4, the rest of them just disappeared for several months to a year to forever before you saw them try another marathon. And none of them really improved from the Trials.

26 isn't some tenderfoot development age. When Stinson is 36 he almost certainly will already be nostalgic for what his body was capable of at 26. You think being young and fit will last forever until suddenly you realize it's over, and you wasted time waiting for everything to align instead of putting your powers to use while they're at their peak.

Not at all but Nenow was one of the top 10,000 runners in the world at the time and he ran his one marathon at the twilight of his career. Stinson should be able to run 2:10 but, in addition to poor pacing, I think he left his race on some of his training courses.

Eastern Kentucky wrote:

Far Out West wrote:

Nenow ran 27:20 not 28:20.

27:54 as a Duck. Not a bad place to build from.

I hear what you're saying, but..

At 26, you're very much in the fountain of youth. The next 5 years a lot can change, and then from 31-36, A LOT more can change. Ryan Hall admittingly said in interviews post retirement that if he'd change anything, he'd focused more on his speed in the 5-10k realm and not been afraid of the weight room because he was chasing multiple marathons per year. Unfortunately, sounds like he was totally maxed out by 2011ish. That's where the marathon can be tricky, if you start running them competitively too young, instead of being in marathon prime as you're older (early to mid 30s), you're too taxed and the marathon just breaks you down and you're plagued with injuries. Rupp was a few months shy of 30 before his first marathon, and Mo Farah is 35?

I think there is something valuable in younger athletes (24-28) fine tuning and maximizing the speed element of their running economy before deep diving into marathons. Say what you want about NOP, but Salazaar's strategies with athletes moving up in distance is intriguing, even us hobby joggers.

Yea he just needs to approach the marathon differently. Shoot for more even splits. And go out in like 66-67 or something. Run his own race. Learn something new he must

Parker Stinson is a great and talented athlete who I think will be the Next sub 2:10 for the US. I think too many heroic efforts at practice may be hindering his marathon and racing performance. He shows the fitness is there i.e. 20 miles at 5:10 pace at altitude, 62:30 Half. The problem is, he's leaving his 2:10 at the work out. I know it is not uncommon to be doing 18-20 miles at MP, but a month out from your Marathon may be a little too strenuous on body. Head up, and focus on the trials. He's next.