What's a successful run for Gwen Jorgensen on Sunday in Chicago?

Anything under 2:30 would be solid, and my prediction is she goes slightly under if she runs even.

Under 2:27 would erase any doubt about whether she's a threat to make the team.

2:25 or under and she's a favorite to make the team.

800 dude wrote:

Anything under 2:30 would be solid, and my prediction is she goes slightly under if she runs even.

Under 2:27 would erase any doubt about whether she's a threat to make the team.

2:25 or under and she's a favorite to make the team.

I second the above. Exactly what I wanted to say.

I’m thinking 2:26. Under that you might as well give her a spot on the Olympic team. 2:26 to 2:28 she is right where she should be. Over 2:30 means she is in trouble.

Oh Please wrote:

800 dude wrote:

Anything under 2:30 would be solid, and my prediction is she goes slightly under if she runs even.

Under 2:27 would erase any doubt about whether she's a threat to make the team.

2:25 or under and she's a favorite to make the team.

I second the above. Exactly what I wanted to say.

I agree with the above. She ran 70:58 for the half marathon champs in Pittsburgh last spring & was disappointed with the result. It's not the fastest course and I don't know what the weather situation was. She also has to be getting more fit with another 5 months of workouts under her belt and mixing in some training with some total studs. I think, with her goals, anything over 2:30 is a huge disappointment and might even have her reconsidering what to do in 2020. I would expect her to go out halfway at 2:24-25 pace. If she can hold that, it at least gives her some hope. Really to go top-3 in the US at the Trials, you have to be in about 2:22-ish shape (think Cragg, Linden, Flanagan from '16). That's currently her official half marathon pace & that definitely doesn't win you an Olympic gold. Making the US team foes set you up for a top-10 finish at the Olympics but the top-3 are usually a step above that even.

All in all, I'm hoping for the best. No clue why people love to hate on her on these anonymous message boards. Yeah, she's ambitious and probably overreaching but that doesn't mean you should automatically trash her and say terrible things about her.

800 dude wrote:

Anything under 2:30 would be solid, and my prediction is she goes slightly under if she runs even.

Under 2:27 would erase any doubt about whether she's a threat to make the team.

2:25 or under and she's a favorite to make the team.

Agree with a lot of this, but if your stated goal is an Olympic marathon gold then isn’t anything above 2:20-2:22 a failure? Others have debuted faster. That seems like the bare minimum to be considered a contender. Realistically she would need to be in sub 2:20 shape come Olympic time to have a shot.

There is no one on this message board I LOVE more than you Scorpion_runner!

Scorpion_runner wrote:

To DNS, and just go away.

Leave real running to real runners.

Yeah, I said it. God Damit.

peace.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Ezekiel bread wrote:

Purity of the sport? Running is simple. You start there and finish there with your feet. And she's doing that. And currently she is one of the top US female distance runners.

Pretending to be elite? Well she is elite. I sense you are just jealous.

Gold in the marathon? It's called aiming high.

Naw, that was a huge Dis to the the top elite runners who have given blood, sweat and tears over the years to be great. Sorry, can't root for it.

aiming high by saying you will be ready for GOLD in under 2 years , at a distance and racing level that you have no experience?

This is a pretty solid troll. I'll give it 8/10. You definitely got me.

How could any fan of professional running not love what Gwen Jorgeson is doing? Having her in the game makes following the sport more interesting, plain and simple. Imagine if Lance Armstrong finished the tour and told people he was gonna win 10K gold at the Olympics. People would go nuts. It would be so fun to watch him race and train.

Sure, Gwen's bold claim smacks of overconfidence (and delusion), which clearly puts some people off. But she's a champion and competitor. It's great that she wants to be the best. And it makes things way more interesting. Clearly there is a marketing calculation happening on her part by making that statement and drumming up interest in her story, but who cares? I hope she rips on Sunday and keeps this storyline moving forward.

Jorgensen’s form is so typical of a triathlete (arm carriage and stride). Perhaps the additional mileage will smooth that out, but still skeptical. Perhaps upper 2:20s Sunday, but will need to be in low 2:20s to make US team.

People want to hate because they're jealous b8tches. An Olympic champion comes to town with ambition and they're scared shitless. Oh and she's marketable too. And she's interested in making money from marketing, which is something runners are stupidly terrible at.

She gonna mop the floor with y'all.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Ezekiel bread wrote:

Purity of the sport? Running is simple. You start there and finish there with your feet. And she's doing that. And currently she is one of the top US female distance runners.

Pretending to be elite? Well she is elite. I sense you are just jealous.

Gold in the marathon? It's called aiming high.

Naw, that was a huge Dis to the the top elite runners who have given blood, sweat and tears over the years to be great. Sorry, can't root for it.

aiming high by saying you will be ready for GOLD in under 2 years , at a distance and racing level that you have no experience?

Hell, she's not even top 8 in america.

Jordan Hasay

Shalane

Cragg

Huddle

Linden

Hall

Kellyn Taylor

Laura Thweatt

Stephanie Bruce

Only person I see her beating is Laura, but we will find out Sunday.

Has she had a chance to race in the cheat shoes?

Crazy blasey wrote:

Looks and acts like a crazy blasey type. DNS or DNF.

BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Ezekiel bread wrote:

Purity of the sport? Running is simple. You start there and finish there with your feet. And she's doing that. And currently she is one of the top US female distance runners.

Pretending to be elite? Well she is elite. I sense you are just jealous.

Gold in the marathon? It's called aiming high.

Naw, that was a huge Dis to the the top elite runners who have given blood, sweat and tears over the years to be great. Sorry, can't root for it.

aiming high by saying you will be ready for GOLD in under 2 years , at a distance and racing level that you have no experience?

Hell, she's not even top 8 in america.

Jordan Hasay

Shalane

Cragg

Huddle

Linden

Hall

Kellyn Taylor

Laura Thweatt

Stephanie Bruce

Only person I see her beating is Laura, but we will find out Sunday.

Didn't she run for Wisconsin? Those years don't count? Time in a different endurance discipline doesn't count? Please enlighten us on the necessary credentials to be considered a pure athlete.

LRCRacismSexismWatchDog wrote:

Crazy blasey wrote:

Looks and acts like a crazy blasey type. DNS or DNF.

BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK

You must be fun to hang out with.

Anything over 2:30 is a disaster for her high goals. Her indoor 15:15 is probably worth 2:28, so that seems most likely. Anything under 2:28 is a nice step towards making the US team.

2:27:30 for Gwen Lemieux

800 dude wrote:

Gwen let her legs do the talking before her mouth. She ran 53-low on a very hard 10-mile course, beating Hall and finishing a few ticks behind Aliphine. That automatically puts her on a short list of contenders to make the US team. And keep in mind she did that while she was still a triathlete. Making the team isn't an audacious goal; anything less would be a disappointment for someone with her PROVEN ability.

PROVEN ability in what? We are talking about the marathon here, not a 10k in a triathlon or a 10 miler. She has PROVEN nothing of that ability of making the team for 2020 let alone win the gold medal. We will see on Sunday, but until then- stay in the peanut gallery where you have PROVEN you belong.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

To DNS, and just go away.

Leave real running to real runners.

Yeah, I said it. God Damit.

peace.

I'd never bet against an Olympic gold medalist. She's got some intangibles going on. Plus, she is a real runner. I don't have a bunch of sponsors like she does , I'm not a real runner. Are you?

Cragg and Hasay have been injured for a really long time. Who knows if they'll ever recover. Molly Huddle is good bit prone to mental mistakes and injuries can always happen. Flanagan is old. Hall is consistent but how fast can she go.

There isn't exactly a big stable of US women's marathoners that are Olympic caliber.

Jorgensen could qualify for the olympics because strange things can happen, and then keep getting fit. it could totally be a warm weather race where 2:28 wins.

A successful run would be sub 2:30.

Scorpion doesn't want our runners to have ambition.

Finishing with a smile. You can't ask any more than that.