Bekele couldn't be healthy enough to line up.. Kipchoge is GOAT behind Gebrselassie and El Guerrouj...
Bekele couldn't be healthy enough to line up.. Kipchoge is GOAT behind Gebrselassie and El Guerrouj...
This is a cool video. From 2008-2014 Kipchoge was really up-and-down. Until he found the marathon he seemed to be slipping. Anybody know why? Was he hurt?
Surprised the white guy kept up as long as he did
Mo was in the middle if a huge block of training. Later on in the year Mo won double Olympic gold and Kipchoge didn't even make the Kenyan team.
white powah wrote:
Surprised the white guy kept up as long as he did
Arne Gabius, 2:08 marathoner in his own right
Jay Dee wrote:
Mo was in the middle if a huge block of training. Later on in the year Mo won double Olympic gold and Kipchoge didn't even make the Kenyan team.
If all Kipchoge had to do to make the Olympics, like Mo, was beat some U.K. slugs, he would have been in the games and beating Mo soundly.
get logic wrote:
Jay Dee wrote:
Mo was in the middle if a huge block of training. Later on in the year Mo won double Olympic gold and Kipchoge didn't even make the Kenyan team.
If all Kipchoge had to do to make the Olympics, like Mo, was beat some U.K. slugs, he would have been in the games and beating Mo soundly.
0/10.
get logic wrote:
Jay Dee wrote:
Mo was in the middle if a huge block of training. Later on in the year Mo won double Olympic gold and Kipchoge didn't even make the Kenyan team.
If all Kipchoge had to do to make the Olympics, like Mo, was beat some U.K. slugs, he would have been in the games and beating Mo soundly.
Are you fu-cking retarded ??
There were 3 Kenyans at the 5k race in the London Olympics that beat Kipchoge and made it to London
Mo literally toyed with these 3 and won the gold one week after winning the 10k
Lnkgmf wrote:
This is a cool video. From 2008-2014 Kipchoge was really up-and-down. Until he found the marathon he seemed to be slipping. Anybody know why? Was he hurt?
In 2008 Kipchoge ran well, winning Olympics silver in the 5K. But I agree his form went down from there until 2013(not 2014 as you put) when he ran his marathon debut in 2:05:30 and finished second in Berlin in 2:04:05. Kenenisa Bekele and Kipchoge share a manager both under Global Sports Communications. Both ran at the high level up until end of 2008(Bekele went one more year 2009). Then their fitness suffered until they found the marathon. Its probably that their high speed was already exhausted. Marathon training is a lot different since training speed is slower relative to track training, only that they are longer miles.
tony the tiger wrote:
get logic wrote:
If all Kipchoge had to do to make the Olympics, like Mo, was beat some U.K. slugs, he would have been in the games and beating Mo soundly.
Are you fu-cking retarded ??
There were 3 Kenyans at the 5k race in the London Olympics that beat Kipchoge and made it to London
Mo literally toyed with these 3 and won the gold one week after winning the 10k
It sounds like you don't understand elite racing lol
tony the tiger wrote:
get logic wrote:
If all Kipchoge had to do to make the Olympics, like Mo, was beat some U.K. slugs, he would have been in the games and beating Mo soundly.
Are you fu-cking retarded ??
There were 3 Kenyans at the 5k race in the London Olympics that beat Kipchoge and made it to London
Mo literally toyed with these 3 and won the gold one week after winning the 10k
Well, he competed in the weakest era of the track. Let's see how he's doing on the road. His marathon PB though is just a 2:06 in his hometown, if I recall correctly. And a horde of East Africans have run sub-2:05 already.
lkjkj wrote:
Bekele couldn't be healthy enough to line up.. Kipchoge is GOAT behind Gebrselassie and El Guerrouj...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzee0gPqcwE
How do you justify Gebrelassie being better than Bekele when Bekele is Gebrselassie but faster? I can see a argument for El G but still. Kipchoges record against bekele speaks volumes
quote from letsrun
"– 3 Olympic golds (1 more than Geb)
– 5 outdoor World Championship golds (1 more than Geb)
– 11 World XC golds (Geb has none)
– World records at 5,000 (12:37.35) and 10,000 (26:17.53)
– Second-fastest marathoner ever at 2:03:03 (56 seconds faster than Geb)
– 6-2 head-to-head record vs. Geb (including 3-0 at Olympics/Worlds)"
westsouthrunner wrote:
How do you justify Gebrelassie being better than Bekele when Bekele is Gebrselassie but faster? I can see a argument for El G but still.
Because he's from a different era, Geb knocked 19 seconds off the 5K WR and 30 seconds off the 10K, breaking his own records multiple times. Bekele only ran a few seconds faster. You can't go by PRs because they didn't race each other in their respective primes.
asgdasfdsfa wrote:
westsouthrunner wrote:
How do you justify Gebrelassie being better than Bekele when Bekele is Gebrselassie but faster? I can see a argument for El G but still.
Because he's from a different era, Geb knocked 19 seconds off the 5K WR and 30 seconds off the 10K, breaking his own records multiple times. Bekele only ran a few seconds faster. You can't go by PRs because they didn't race each other in their respective primes.
I see what you are saying but its not like Bekele had Geb pacing him the whole way. He won his 5000m by 24 seconds and ran from the front. Only thing that you can say is that the race was against the clock maybe sub 12:39 was the goal. Even then though after Haile ran 12:39 he could've attempted to run another pr after. His PR is his PR. Not like Bekele had way better spikes (victories in 2004) or anything like that.
I do want to say that that makes no sense saying I can't go off of Pr's because they did not race in their primes. If we look head to head Bekele will always be younger than Geb. At this level of track Their Pr's are their primes. There are some weird cases of runners like Mo Farah where their pr is not a true indicator of their prime.
One more point. If I can not go off their Pr's going by medal count Bekele still has Geb beaten by a ton if you include XC.
*yawn*
This was already put to bed in the other GOAT thread. It was an unimportant race, especially compared to the double golds later that year at the OG that one of these mentioned runners couldn't qualify for.
seasoned ranker wrote:
*yawn*
This was already put to bed in the other GOAT thread. It was an unimportant race, especially compared to the double golds later that year at the OG that one of these mentioned runners couldn't qualify for.
This race was set up as a supposed WR attempt for Farah.
Trackbot! Compare Eliud Kipchoge vs Mo Farah.
white powah wrote:
Surprised the white guy kept up as long as he did
Hi El K!
Yeah, a minor clean white guy keeping up with the all time EPO goats until the last lap.
Is this the race that Farah finally broke Ovett's 40 year old two mile British record? A record he set in a real race with no pacers, defeating the real African goat (Henry Rono), when BOTH were exhausted after a long season. An age when athletes didn't even have creatine and the only PEDs Rono was likely taking were vodka and whisky every night?
Sledge_hammer wrote:
tony the tiger wrote:
Are you fu-cking retarded ??
There were 3 Kenyans at the 5k race in the London Olympics that beat Kipchoge and made it to London
Mo literally toyed with these 3 and won the gold one week after winning the 10k
Well, he competed in the weakest era of the track. Let's see how he's doing on the road. His marathon PB though is just a 2:06 in his hometown, if I recall correctly. And a horde of East Africans have run sub-2:05 already.
Exactly. Here in this video we have Kipchoge SMASHING Farah in the two-mile.
What happened after that. Farah went on to "dominate" the most pathetic event in its most pathetic era, while Kipchoge went where the real runners all went, and dominated the marathon.
If Kipchoge cared to compete in side-shows, he could have focused on the 10,000 and one London 2012 from the front. But he was a marathoner by then, focused on halfs all of 2012 and debuting Hamburg spring 2013 in a 2:05 (which Farah hasn't touched).
seasoned ranker wrote:
It was an unimportant race, especially compared to the double golds later that year at the OG that one of these mentioned runners couldn't qualify for.
What an idiotic post.
It is not like Farah and Kipchoge would have the same path to "qualify" for the Olympics, you moron.
Farah's entire focus of 2012 was the 5,000/10,000 at OG. All he had to do to qualify was jog faster than the UK slugs.
Kipchoge was focused entirely on the roads in 2012, racing several half marathons and prepping for his 2:05 debut in spring 2013. Anyone knowing Kenya could tell he only ran Kenyan Olympic Trials 10,000 in 2012 to please the athletic federation, which is key to good will and future team selection.