FIVE More Kenyan Runners Suspended

@El Keniano

You ask what is a "culture" of doping. It is where the practise will be widespread because there will be an implicit acceptance amongst athletes that doping is necessary to succeed. It is not a percentage as such, but it clearly occurs beyond a few isolated individuals doping against a prevailing belief that competition should be clean. But neither is it institutionalised doping, where governing bodies - and even governments - collude in the practise (and thus afford more protection to the dopers). Most countries and sports will fall somewhere on the spectrum, but the the exact level of doping, where it occurs, is always an estimate - like the submerged part of the iceberg - because no one admits to the practise and testing catches very few. But when anti-doping is catching athletes at the rate that is currently occurring in Kenya we can see that, however one chooses to describe it, there is a real problem and, regrettably, a question mark over the performances of many of its athletes, given how widespread the practice has apparently become.

Endemic.

lol And you talk about Canova's English. Bah ha ha ha ha

Look who finally showed up! It's the guy that bullies an international coach, but can't stand it when someone calls him on it. Your very name derives from badgering and bullying someone you've never even met. Think about that. You pretend to be anti-doping; but as someone pointed out in another thread (?), your favorite athlete is Bekele ("whether he'd doped or not"). Does that make any sense whatsoever? And yes, I've met Coach Canova in Iten. I spent 8 months in Mombasa, and 2 in Nakuru as part of a water purification project. The only person "high and mighty" is YOU, tough guy. Who are you to bully Coach Canova? Add hypocrisy to that list as well. I absolutely would love to come to Colorado to knock your teeth straight down your throat, but we live in a day and age where I could almost guarantee that you would sue, and my temper has led me down that road before. I also spoke out of turn out of absolute anger at your bull$hit- thinking about this, there's no way I'm going to waste a weekend flying from Tampa, spending $400 to do this, and having to do all that community service again. Keep on spouting your BS and hypocritical trash, and I'll right here to call you on it. That costs no money at all.

^Nakuru’s my hometown. ? And good for you for standing up for Coach Canova. I can’t believe what he puts up with or that he continues to return.

El Keniano wrote:

^Nakuru’s my hometown. ? And good for you for standing up for Coach Canova. I can’t believe what he puts up with or that he continues to return.

I'm ashamed for letting my temper get the best of me yet again, El K. I grew up in foster care, and fought nearly every single day against bullies of all types; and I just won't stand for it. On one hand, I despise bullies; and like all bullies, this person needs to be taught a lesson. On the other clear hand, I could also lose my job and visitation with my son, as I've had a legal problem before from an altercation over something even more stupid. I just can't risk losing time with my son, the fines I'd face again, and definitely would have no time for the community service hours. I can't believe I even entertained the idea of carrying this through.

On a positive note, I loved Nakuru; and worked with several areas both in Nakuru Town itself and outlying residential areas. Mombasa was enjoyable in its own right gut, but was even more humid than Florida, if that's even possible. We stayed with the local people during these engineering projects in that region (I'm only a builder/labor/construction), and really got to know them well. I think the trip highlight was getting to visit the Menengoi (spelling?) Crater with the local family that I stayed with. A member of this kalenjin family is a former international star over 5/10k, and he was the one that introduced me to Coach Canova. This man is highly respected as not just someone that helps Kenyan athletes, but truly cares about the Kenyan community as well. You could feel his passion for both. I just couldn't stand by to allow the sullying and bullying of this man. It's as simple as that, and has been completely unacceptable.

m!ndweak wrote:

You sound like a top notch dad.... lose visitation with your son? Probation? Sounds like your a bully and use your childhood for justification of being an a$$hole. I never threatened to shoot anyone with a gun, but you sound like the white trash type who has. Go ahead and talk big, threaten me with physical harm, act tough remain anonymous and explain why you cant come step up to me cause you would lose your son lol

What juvenile immature sh*t did you do to be in a situation with visitation and probation? Let me guess babies momma was a bully and you knocked her teeth out? A violent insecure grown man with repressed childhood problems. Well im not afraid of you but your kid will prob grow up with issues caused by you, way to go voilent abusive disfunctional dad

You are a bully, Chad.

You are a horrible man.

El Keniano wrote:

Sanction list:

https://twitter.com/ADAK_KE/status/1045643851183075328

Gosh, as I said some of these were caught by other authorities, the tweet ⬆has Sumgong listed, by 20s of research shows she was caught by the IAAF

Though actually is was the Abbott World Marathon Majors testing that caught her.

Necrotic wrote:

there's no way I'm going to waste a weekend flying from Tampa, spending $400 to do this, and having to do all that community service again. Keep on spouting your BS and hypocritical trash, and I'll right here to call you on it. That costs no money at all.

WTH? Do you have convictions?

Mindweak you might have to take this guy seriously.

Subway Surfers wrote:

Though actually is was the Abbott World Marathon Majors testing that caught her.

"Tim Hadzima, general manager, Abbott World Marathon Majors.

While we are distressed to learn of the reports of Jemima Sumgong’s positive drug test, if true, they indicate that we are gaining ground in our long-standing fight against doping.

The Abbott World Marathon Majors is committed to eradicating doping and we will continue to lead the way in introducing and campaigning for aggressive measures.

To that end, we recently, in conjunction with the IAAF, built and funded one of the largest targeted testing pool of athletes, with an aim of requiring more than 150 individuals to submit to out-of-competition testing a minimum of six times a year.

As we understand it from reports, one of those out-of-competition tests resulted in Jemima Sumgong’s provisional positive results. This demonstrates that, while there is more work to do, our efforts have served an important purpose.

Sumgong currently leads the standings for AbbottWMM Series X, which concludes at the April 17 Boston Marathon. Under AbbottWMM rules, any athlete who has been found guilty of any anti-doping rules enforced by the IAAF, WADA, National Federations or any of the individual AbbottWMM races is not eligible to win a AbbottWMM Series title.

Given our policies, until the conclusion of Jemima Sumgong’s case and any potential appeal process, we will not name a Series X women’s champion."

m!ndweak wrote:

You sound like a top notch dad.... lose visitation with your son? Probation? Sounds like your a bully and use your childhood for justification of being an a$$hole. I never threatened to shoot anyone with a gun, but you sound like the white trash type who has. Go ahead and talk big, threaten me with physical harm, act tough remain anonymous and explain why you cant come step up to me cause you would lose your son lol

What juvenile immature sh*t did you do to be in a situation with visitation and probation? Let me guess babies momma was a bully and you knocked her teeth out? A violent insecure grown man with repressed childhood problems. Well im not afraid of you but your kid will prob grow up with issues caused by you, way to go voilent abusive disfunctional dad

Yeah, I'll be the first to admit that I haven't been the best of human beings; but I've turned my life around and am trying my best. I definitely don't use my childhood as a crutch, as you insinuated. I do feel however that it is a large factor to my temper, and my natural reaction to want to default to physical violence. Yes, I am a convicted felon from a very poor choice that I made when I was 21. I served my time, and I've moved on with my life. I'm fine with you calling me trash- I have been called that a lot of my life, and I don't listen to it anymore. You're also wrong on the white part- not even close. My father was Cuban and my mother was black. Neither are alive, but I did not know them anyway. I was raised in the foster system in South Florida. Fighting was a part of growing up. As a positive, I've started doing personal training and am certified by the NASM, which I'm very proud of. I also do work in construction, which is how I became involved in the placement of the water purification systems in Kenya as well as Tanzania. The visitation results from my ex's attorney highlighting my bad decisions, like all attorneys do. I get that. Though, a screw up now like an assault charge would be really, really bad for the hope of being able to increase the amount of time I can spend with my son. I sincerely hope that my bad decisions over the years don't have an affect on him as you imply. Thankfully, he and I have a good relationship. I'm trying everything to be a positive influence on him, Chad; and have plans to start taking some college courses in the spring. So, there you have it. This is me in a nutshell- open and honest. I want to take the time to apologize for accusing you of wanting to shoot Coach Canova if that in fact was not you. I also want to apologize for reverting to wanting to fight instead of using our words. It's just my natural instinct that I continue to struggle with. I'll also ask you to please consider that Coach Canova is not who/what you are constantly insinuating; and would encourage you to take the opportunity to travel to Kenya- and really spend some time there- to see that for yourself. That covers just about everything; and I'm letting it go. I'm ashamed to think that I considered carrying this through, and shudder to think of the repercussions that could have come from it. Again, I'm sorry for my part in this matter.

Subway Surfers wrote:

Necrotic wrote:

there's no way I'm going to waste a weekend flying from Tampa, spending $400 to do this, and having to do all that community service again. Keep on spouting your BS and hypocritical trash, and I'll right here to call you on it. That costs no money at all.

WTH? Do you have convictions?

Mindweak you might have to take this guy seriously.

Unfortunately, yes. Though, there's nothing to take seriously- in my desire to prevent bullying of Coach Canova, I let my temper get the best of me. I've apologized for my part, and consider the matter closed.

Subway Surfers wrote:

Necrotic wrote:

there's no way I'm going to waste a weekend flying from Tampa, spending $400 to do this, and having to do all that community service again. Keep on spouting your BS and hypocritical trash, and I'll right here to call you on it. That costs no money at all.

WTH? Do you have convictions?

Mindweak you might have to take this guy seriously.

This site is starting to sound like a UFC discussion forum. Lol. Wasn't it not too long ago "Coevett" & "ex-runner" were at each other throats for weeks? Now you got Chad and about a half-dozen other posters flaming at each other.

Que Sera Sera....

Can't Believe What I'm Hearing wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

WTH? Do you have convictions?

Mindweak you might have to take this guy seriously.

This site is starting to sound like a UFC discussion forum. Lol. Wasn't it not too long ago "Coevett" & "ex-runner" were at each other throats for weeks? Now you got Chad and about a half-dozen other posters flaming at each other.

Que Sera Sera....

Yes indeed, we better steer clear. ?

Can't Believe What I'm Hearing wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

WTH? Do you have convictions?

Mindweak you might have to take this guy seriously.

This site is starting to sound like a UFC discussion forum. Lol. Wasn't it not too long ago "Coevett" & "ex-runner" were at each other throats for weeks? Now you got Chad and about a half-dozen other posters flaming at each other.

Que Sera Sera....

Mate, you don't know anything about online flaming wars. I challenged Coevett to a 5K run in the park the other week and he didn't show like the racist coward he is.

Aint no 60 year old 25 minute 5K park runner flying past me in the final 100m anytime soon.

Lydiard is God wrote:

Admittedly, Australia has been running an inquiry into the banking sector and the regulatory agencies have been outed as completely useless, and lots of corruption unearthed.

So, if Kenya had the will to weed out the Eurotrash managers, it would be a much better look.

Would not the introduction of this very simple rule solve the problem almost overnight?:

If an athlete tests positive, the athlete gets a ban of say 2 years AND the athlete's manager gets a ban of twice as long plus a fine of 300,000 dollars. The manager is not allowed to manage any athlete until the ban is served and the fine is paid.

Ex Runner wrote:

Can't Believe What I'm Hearing wrote:

This site is starting to sound like a UFC discussion forum. Lol. Wasn't it not too long ago "Coevett" & "ex-runner" were at each other throats for weeks? Now you got Chad and about a half-dozen other posters flaming at each other.

Que Sera Sera....

Mate, you don't know anything about online flaming wars. I challenged Coevett to a 5K run in the park the other week and he didn't show like the racist coward he is.

Aint no 60 year old 25 minute 5K park runner flying past me in the final 100m anytime soon.

Sounds kinda stupid to challenge an anonymous poster to a 5k run over a doping debate? Really? Is this how primitive we are where people get pissed off at each over a discussion forum debate and challenge an anonymous posters to races. ?. But it even gets worse - Chad wants to fight another poster, or another poster wants to fight him (not sure on this one), and Chad actually gave him a date, time & location to meet him at. Totally ridiculous! - what a world we live in. What ever happen to the "agree to disagree" premise in debates? ?

simple rule to solve wrote:

Lydiard is God wrote:

Admittedly, Australia has been running an inquiry into the banking sector and the regulatory agencies have been outed as completely useless, and lots of corruption unearthed.

So, if Kenya had the will to weed out the Eurotrash managers, it would be a much better look.

Would not the introduction of this very simple rule solve the problem almost overnight?:

If an athlete tests positive, the athlete gets a ban of say 2 years AND the athlete's manager gets a ban of twice as long plus a fine of 300,000 dollars. The manager is not allowed to manage any athlete until the ban is served and the fine is paid.

"Would not the introduction of this very simple rule solve the problem almost overnight?"

Answer: NO.

It's a simple rule devised by a simpleton.

Now I want you to think about this real hard, what if the athlete has gone to the local pharma bucket shop behind the back of the manager, what happens then?, and how do you prove or disprove it anyway?

Ex Runner wrote:

Can't Believe What I'm Hearing wrote:

This site is starting to sound like a UFC discussion forum. Lol. Wasn't it not too long ago "Coevett" & "ex-runner" were at each other throats for weeks? Now you got Chad and about a half-dozen other posters flaming at each other.

Que Sera Sera....

Mate, you don't know anything about online flaming wars. I challenged Coevett to a 5K run in the park the other week and he didn't show like the racist coward he is.

Aint no 60 year old 25 minute 5K park runner flying past me in the final 100m anytime soon.

Hello Coevett!