Hill Run wrote:
and how can I label her doper? She smashed A DOPED UP RECORD IN HER FIRST( or second) RACE AT 10000m!
I have lost all respect for you to sit up her and vouch and try to go to bat to some one who is clearly, clearly a doper. That is why she lays low. No one is freaking stupid. You lay low and cherry pick racing to avoid testing.
I can almost count on my fingers in how many races she has been in over the years. compare her racing to her peers, not even close.
sitting up her talking about a runner being clean from a known DOPING nation. FOH
Well I’m certainly not going to sit here and defend your doping allegations towards her - for the simple reason that I have never met her! You purporting that she is definitely doping is as equally unprovable as me alleging she is definitely clean. - Which narrative you adopt depends Simply upon which side of the fence you sit. - I do notice however, that those who consistently allege doping are generally not well reaearched in the particular athlete. I have no issue with individuals holding strong and negative opinions. - But at least do your homework first, -speak from both the head and the heart.
As for beating a doped up record at her first attempt. - Again that’s your prerogative. I believe the women’s 10k record prior to Ayana was the weakest on the books. - You can not compare the female 10000m record in the same manner as say the men’s 100m record. - Records are not all equal, or even within the same ballpark. For example, the last international track 10k with all the “names” was run in August 2017. The only comparative event since would be the 10000m at the commonwealth games in March - Sure Kenya was there, but not the USA, not Ethiopia, no European countries.
How many other international track meets are run with such scarcity?
Nobody went after Wangs record - and Dibaba is on record confirming this. Simply because the big 10k races were held at world and Olympic championships where times were a distant second in importance to tactical execution & racing. We all know from her own confession no less, that Wang Junxia was doped. Ma Juren had them doing totally insane,inhuman and unsustainable workouts, for one purpose only, the Chinese champs and the setting of world records. It was basically a one time only deal. Wang Junxia to me is an example of what drugs and crazy training can do with what was in my opinion an athlete of average international ability. - She was turned into a “super soldier” for a short unsustainable period. Almaz Ayana is the diametric opposite. A massive natural front running talent, a lady who has the ability (and who also had to develop this ability) to destroy other runners in the main body of the race. No records will ever be set at the female 5 and 10k distances using tactical methods of racing.
All Ayana has done is throw historical protocols of race practice out of the window. What she does is “unprecedented” only to other athletes and observers. - But not to her, she has always run this way.
LOL. The 10000m record being the weakest on the books? You lost all credibility.
Did Tirunesh break the WR? No. And this is a woman who broke the 5000m by running 14:11
Did Viv break the record? No. And she still didn't go under it after running a PB in that race.
Both Tirunesh and Viv ran PBs, and didn't break the record. Not only did Ayana lap half the field ( or close to it), she made two of the greatest runners to ever run 10000m look pedestrian in her first race at that distance.
The women's 10000m WR stood for years, and it was a doped record on top of that, because the woman admitted to doping to break the record.
You can spin doc stuff all you want to, to support your narrative and your doped up hero, but it will come out sooner a later. What's funny is that you have not one single doubt in your mind that Ayana is doping. But others who are PROs in the sport are highly DOUBTFUL that her record is clean. However, we should just automatically believe you.
That's why I look forward to the day Sifan destroys her at 10000m and at Half Marathon. ...It's coming and I will be there.
So we will just have to wait until the WC, because as Sifan will be racing every other week or so, Ayana will duck, duck until the WC.
Scorpion, the difference between us can be summed up thus.... I form conclusions upon the validity of an athlete and their performances by their historical progression, the style and approach they bring to their running, the manner of their race execution in terms of consistency, and the level of talent they convey to the observer in comparison to their peers. I then reach my conclusions WHILST ALSO ENTERTAINING THE POSSIBILITY OF DOPING.
You on the other hand give zero thought or investigation into the possibility of the performance being clean and and only give credence to doping.
I believe my investigative process to be more robust than your emotionally fuelled outbursts.
Having said this, I have nothing personal against you or your belief systems. Keep up the posts and threads. I love reading anything from those who have avid interest in the sport and value all input - even if it diverges from my own we all need perspective 😀