Ayana, 26, the reigning world/Olympic champ and WR holder at 10,000 meters, hasn't raced since the Delhi Half Marathon in November 2017.
She said she's been battling a knee injury all year and it sounds like she only had knee surgery in Switzerland recently as she isn't going to resume training for another three months.
That sucks I hope she recovers well and gets back to winning everything. She should get more gold medals in the 10,000m and then get the half marathon and marathon wrs.
Drugged-up donkey lays low.
I'm surprised she can get injured with all the steroids and EPO in her system.
Devil Dog wrote:
I'm surprised she can get injured with all the steroids and EPO in her system.
This actually proves that she is not a doper.
Also Ayana has switched sponsors, from adidas to Nike:
Knee looks fine there.
Jonathan Gault wrote:
Also Ayana has switched sponsors, from adidas to Nike:
https://twitter.com/Ayana_Almaz/status/1045334956061396992
God Damn Liar. No way she had knee surgery a few weeks doing stretches like that, and that is recent because she is in Nike.
Just a doper lying low.
Even that official statement about her injury and knee surgery seem sketchy. it's something about the presentation, no specific details. Etc.
Scorpion_runner wrote:
Jonathan Gault wrote:
Also Ayana has switched sponsors, from adidas to Nike:
https://twitter.com/Ayana_Almaz/status/1045334956061396992God Damn Liar. No way she had knee surgery a few weeks doing stretches like that, and that is recent because she is in Nike.
Just a doper lying low.
Even that official statement about her injury and knee surgery seem sketchy. it's something about the presentation, no specific details. Etc.
She was operated in Switzerland by a Dr Biedirt. The operation was a month ago.
Scorpion when you make such sweeping and bogus statements and present them as “facts” you come across as borderline insane.
I agree her complete media silence has been unusual. But also take into consideration that despite being the best 10k track runner in the world, she is basically still a quiet, shy, country girl from western Ethiopia, she does not have a personal social media platform, she does not speak English and shuns the limelight. - So no you won’t get a constant stream of day to day dribble Americans are used to by the likes of Stephanie Bruce, Emma Coburn, Emily Enfeld and many others.
And before you label her a doper, do your research. As I have stated previously. The information within the press release was already available for those who took the time to look for it. -The same applies to her training regime and life in general.
Having a go at her for withholding information about her injury - and then in the next breath claiming she has not been operated upon and is doping, are two statements in total opposition to each other. After all, if you “know” the so called negatives about her then surely you also know everything else going on in her life????
Why not celebrate that a great runner is in recovery and we will potentially see a cracking 10k in Doha with her and Hassan battling it out.
Hill Run wrote:
Scorpion when you make such sweeping and bogus statements and present them as “facts” you come across as borderline insane.
Completely agree. Your posts on Ayana are noticeably worse than any of your other posts. Hate is clouding your mind..
Hill Run wrote:
Scorpion_runner wrote:
God Damn Liar. No way she had knee surgery a few weeks doing stretches like that, and that is recent because she is in Nike.
Just a doper lying low.
Even that official statement about her injury and knee surgery seem sketchy. it's something about the presentation, no specific details. Etc.
She was operated in Switzerland by a Dr Biedirt. The operation was a month ago.
Scorpion when you make such sweeping and bogus statements and present them as “facts” you come across as borderline insane.
I agree her complete media silence has been unusual. But also take into consideration that despite being the best 10k track runner in the world, she is basically still a quiet, shy, country girl from western Ethiopia, she does not have a personal social media platform, she does not speak English and shuns the limelight. - So no you won’t get a constant stream of day to day dribble Americans are used to by the likes of Stephanie Bruce, Emma Coburn, Emily Enfeld and many others.
And before you label her a doper, do your research. As I have stated previously. The information within the press release was already available for those who took the time to look for it. -The same applies to her training regime and life in general.
Having a go at her for withholding information about her injury - and then in the next breath claiming she has not been operated upon and is doping, are two statements in total opposition to each other. After all, if you “know” the so called negatives about her then surely you also know everything else going on in her life????
Why not celebrate that a great runner is in recovery and we will potentially see a cracking 10k in Doha with her and Hassan battling it out.
With the way these runners dope, lie and put up a facade? You gotta be kidding me, right? It all seems suspicious, especially the quiet ones. The quiet ones are usually the biggest SECRET dopers.....Genzebe, Tirunesh, Bekele. Haile was the only one who was really wide open with his training and information.
The reason why I like runners like Hassan, Naz Elites, etc, is because they are open and clear about their training and what they do. Hell, even Mary Keitany is open with how she trains and what she does in her interviews and documentaries.
So don't get me that crap. It's something highly suspicious about her, and it will come out sooner or later as it usually does. I know BS when I see it.
and how can I label her doper? She smashed A DOPED UP RECORD IN HER FIRST( or second) RACE AT 10000m!
I have lost all respect for you to sit up her and vouch and try to go to bat to some one who is clearly, clearly a doper. That is why she lays low. No one is freaking stupid. You lay low and cherry pick racing to avoid testing.
I can almost count on my fingers in how many races she has been in over the years. compare her racing to her peers, not even close.
sitting up her talking about a runner being clean from a known DOPING nation. FOH
You've gotta point, no proof to back it up, but you've gotta point.
Old Kenny B had a mysterious knee injury that kept him out for 18 months too. Rumor was it was a doping suspension given to him privately and the knee injury that sidelined him was a front!
I smell something fishy...
Scorpion_runner wrote:
and how can I label her doper? She smashed A DOPED UP RECORD IN HER FIRST( or second) RACE AT 10000m!
I have lost all respect for you to sit up her and vouch and try to go to bat to some one who is clearly, clearly a doper. That is why she lays low. No one is freaking stupid. You lay low and cherry pick racing to avoid testing.
I can almost count on my fingers in how many races she has been in over the years. compare her racing to her peers, not even close.
sitting up her talking about a runner being clean from a known DOPING nation. FOH
Well I’m certainly not going to sit here and defend your doping allegations towards her - for the simple reason that I have never met her! You purporting that she is definitely doping is as equally unprovable as me alleging she is definitely clean. - Which narrative you adopt depends Simply upon which side of the fence you sit. - I do notice however, that those who consistently allege doping are generally not well reaearched in the particular athlete. I have no issue with individuals holding strong and negative opinions. - But at least do your homework first, -speak from both the head and the heart.
As for beating a doped up record at her first attempt. - Again that’s your prerogative. I believe the women’s 10k record prior to Ayana was the weakest on the books. - You can not compare the female 10000m record in the same manner as say the men’s 100m record. - Records are not all equal, or even within the same ballpark. For example, the last international track 10k with all the “names” was run in August 2017. The only comparative event since would be the 10000m at the commonwealth games in March - Sure Kenya was there, but not the USA, not Ethiopia, no European countries.
How many other international track meets are run with such scarcity?
Nobody went after Wangs record - and Dibaba is on record confirming this. Simply because the big 10k races were held at world and Olympic championships where times were a distant second in importance to tactical execution & racing. We all know from her own confession no less, that Wang Junxia was doped. Ma Juren had them doing totally insane,inhuman and unsustainable workouts, for one purpose only, the Chinese champs and the setting of world records. It was basically a one time only deal. Wang Junxia to me is an example of what drugs and crazy training can do with what was in my opinion an athlete of average international ability. - She was turned into a “super soldier” for a short unsustainable period. Almaz Ayana is the diametric opposite. A massive natural front running talent, a lady who has the ability (and who also had to develop this ability) to destroy other runners in the main body of the race. No records will ever be set at the female 5 and 10k distances using tactical methods of racing.
All Ayana has done is throw historical protocols of race practice out of the window. What she does is “unprecedented” only to other athletes and observers. - But not to her, she has always run this way.
I hope she recovers and comes back even stronger. She is one of my favorite female runners.
Rumors from whom ? From a band of liers only having pleasure to defame top athletes ? From a group of losers without talent, passion, stimuli and motivation, who live all their life for envying who is able running faster than them ?
The attempt to manipulate the reality, and to sell stupid, not real and personal opinions as TRUTH, is one of the more slimy, shameful and disgusting behaviors people can have, and who spreads those false accusations is himself a revolting person.
Kenenisa had big problems not in one knee, but in one calf, with the rupture of some muscle fibers that stopped his activity for more than one year (the whole 2010).
After that injury, that happened during the race of Seven Hills in Nijmegen, he was no longer able to have continuity in training, and never competed between the Cross of Edinburgh (9th Jan 2010) and the WCh 2011 in Daegu (28th August) when he dropped out after 7 km, for winning, after 19 days, the only other race of the season : 10000m in Bruxelles in 26'43"16.
Kenenisa was no more able to run with spikes on track at high speed, also if in 2012 tried to run on the track for winning another Olympic Gold, but at the end understood was no more possible to reach the same shape of the past in something fast, for his problems when had to run fast. This is the main reason because moved to marathon.
Hill Run wrote:
Scorpion_runner wrote:
and how can I label her doper? She smashed A DOPED UP RECORD IN HER FIRST( or second) RACE AT 10000m!
I have lost all respect for you to sit up her and vouch and try to go to bat to some one who is clearly, clearly a doper. That is why she lays low. No one is freaking stupid. You lay low and cherry pick racing to avoid testing.
I can almost count on my fingers in how many races she has been in over the years. compare her racing to her peers, not even close.
sitting up her talking about a runner being clean from a known DOPING nation. FOH
Well I’m certainly not going to sit here and defend your doping allegations towards her - for the simple reason that I have never met her! You purporting that she is definitely doping is as equally unprovable as me alleging she is definitely clean. - Which narrative you adopt depends Simply upon which side of the fence you sit. - I do notice however, that those who consistently allege doping are generally not well reaearched in the particular athlete. I have no issue with individuals holding strong and negative opinions. - But at least do your homework first, -speak from both the head and the heart.
As for beating a doped up record at her first attempt. - Again that’s your prerogative. I believe the women’s 10k record prior to Ayana was the weakest on the books. - You can not compare the female 10000m record in the same manner as say the men’s 100m record. - Records are not all equal, or even within the same ballpark. For example, the last international track 10k with all the “names” was run in August 2017. The only comparative event since would be the 10000m at the commonwealth games in March - Sure Kenya was there, but not the USA, not Ethiopia, no European countries.
How many other international track meets are run with such scarcity?
Nobody went after Wangs record - and Dibaba is on record confirming this. Simply because the big 10k races were held at world and Olympic championships where times were a distant second in importance to tactical execution & racing. We all know from her own confession no less, that Wang Junxia was doped. Ma Juren had them doing totally insane,inhuman and unsustainable workouts, for one purpose only, the Chinese champs and the setting of world records. It was basically a one time only deal. Wang Junxia to me is an example of what drugs and crazy training can do with what was in my opinion an athlete of average international ability. - She was turned into a “super soldier” for a short unsustainable period. Almaz Ayana is the diametric opposite. A massive natural front running talent, a lady who has the ability (and who also had to develop this ability) to destroy other runners in the main body of the race. No records will ever be set at the female 5 and 10k distances using tactical methods of racing.
All Ayana has done is throw historical protocols of race practice out of the window. What she does is “unprecedented” only to other athletes and observers. - But not to her, she has always run this way.
LOL. The 10000m record being the weakest on the books? You lost all credibility.
Did Tirunesh break the WR? No. And this is a woman who broke the 5000m by running 14:11
Did Viv break the record? No. And she still didn't go under it after running a PB in that race.
Both Tirunesh and Viv ran PBs, and didn't break the record. Not only did Ayana lap half the field ( or close to it), she made two of the greatest runners to ever run 10000m look pedestrian in her first race at that distance.
The women's 10000m WR stood for years, and it was a doped record on top of that, because the woman admitted to doping to break the record.
You can spin doc stuff all you want to, to support your narrative and your doped up hero, but it will come out sooner a later. What's funny is that you have not one single doubt in your mind that Ayana is doping. But others who are PROs in the sport are highly DOUBTFUL that her record is clean. However, we should just automatically believe you.
That's why I look forward to the day Sifan destroys her at 10000m and at Half Marathon. ...It's coming and I will be there.
So we will just have to wait until the WC, because as Sifan will be racing every other week or so, Ayana will duck, duck until the WC.
peace.
Renato Canova wrote:
Rumors from whom ? From a band of liers only having pleasure to defame top athletes ? From a group of losers without talent, passion, stimuli and motivation, who live all their life for envying who is able running faster than them ?
The attempt to manipulate the reality, and to sell stupid, not real and personal opinions as TRUTH, is one of the more slimy, shameful and disgusting behaviors people can have, and who spreads those false accusations is himself a revolting person.
Kenenisa had big problems not in one knee, but in one calf, with the rupture of some muscle fibers that stopped his activity for more than one year (the whole 2010).
After that injury, that happened during the race of Seven Hills in Nijmegen, he was no longer able to have continuity in training, and never competed between the Cross of Edinburgh (9th Jan 2010) and the WCh 2011 in Daegu (28th August) when he dropped out after 7 km, for winning, after 19 days, the only other race of the season : 10000m in Bruxelles in 26'43"16.
Kenenisa was no more able to run with spikes on track at high speed, also if in 2012 tried to run on the track for winning another Olympic Gold, but at the end understood was no more possible to reach the same shape of the past in something fast, for his problems when had to run fast. This is the main reason because moved to marathon.
Hello Renato, - it’s frustrating to read all these throwaway doping accusations isn’t it? Can you help out here and give your professional opinion about Almaz Ayanas training, her race strategy and her level of talent/ ability please?
I am sick and tired of the negative press she constantly receives from western commentators.
And keep up the discussion here, I greatly enjoy reading your posts.
Hill Run wrote:
Renato Canova wrote:
Rumors from whom ? From a band of liers only having pleasure to defame top athletes ? From a group of losers without talent, passion, stimuli and motivation, who live all their life for envying who is able running faster than them ?
The attempt to manipulate the reality, and to sell stupid, not real and personal opinions as TRUTH, is one of the more slimy, shameful and disgusting behaviors people can have, and who spreads those false accusations is himself a revolting person.
Kenenisa had big problems not in one knee, but in one calf, with the rupture of some muscle fibers that stopped his activity for more than one year (the whole 2010).
After that injury, that happened during the race of Seven Hills in Nijmegen, he was no longer able to have continuity in training, and never competed between the Cross of Edinburgh (9th Jan 2010) and the WCh 2011 in Daegu (28th August) when he dropped out after 7 km, for winning, after 19 days, the only other race of the season : 10000m in Bruxelles in 26'43"16.
Kenenisa was no more able to run with spikes on track at high speed, also if in 2012 tried to run on the track for winning another Olympic Gold, but at the end understood was no more possible to reach the same shape of the past in something fast, for his problems when had to run fast. This is the main reason because moved to marathon.
Hello Renato, - it’s frustrating to read all these throwaway doping accusations isn’t it? Can you help out here and give your professional opinion about Almaz Ayanas training, her race strategy and her level of talent/ ability please?
I am sick and tired of the negative press she constantly receives from western commentators.
And keep up the discussion here, I greatly enjoy reading your posts.
Now you're reaching out to a man who stated that EPO does not work ( specifically on Kenyans), even though Kenyan runners are testing positive for EPO left and right?
SMH