Should elite High School runners be drug tested??

We at least know that Marion Jones was on the juice during high school. There have been a ton of U.S. sprinters who kill it in HS then mysteriously fizzle out in the NCAA. They got their scholarship prize and then back off the sauce.

Yes they should. Case in point...Alan Webb.

There are some crazy parents out there who just want their kid to get a D1 scholarship, no matter the cost.

Grrr wrote:

We at least know that Marion Jones was on the juice during high school. There have been a ton of U.S. sprinters who kill it in HS then mysteriously fizzle out in the NCAA. They got their scholarship prize and then back off the sauce.

Is there any evidence that Jones cheated in HS? In her confession letter, she said she began using PEDs in 1999 which was 6 years after graduating from HS.

In regard to sprinters, you're stating something as a fact that hasn't been proven.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Grrr wrote:

We at least know that Marion Jones was on the juice during high school. There have been a ton of U.S. sprinters who kill it in HS then mysteriously fizzle out in the NCAA. They got their scholarship prize and then back off the sauce.

Is there any evidence that Jones cheated in HS? In her confession letter, she said she began using PEDs in 1999 which was 6 years after graduating from HS.

In regard to sprinters, you're stating something as a fact that hasn't been proven.

Another thing to consider is that many of the sprinters came from families that could not afford PEDs.

Steve Magness claims he saw documents that prove Galen Rupp was on testosterone since he was in high school

youtube dot com/watch?v=04ck8LwApd4&feature=youtu.be&t=2617

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Grrr wrote:

We at least know that Marion Jones was on the juice during high school. There have been a ton of U.S. sprinters who kill it in HS then mysteriously fizzle out in the NCAA. They got their scholarship prize and then back off the sauce.

Is there any evidence that Jones cheated in HS? In her confession letter, she said she began using PEDs in 1999 which was 6 years after graduating from HS.

In regard to sprinters, you're stating something as a fact that hasn't been proven.

She had a testing failure and was suspended in high school (mom chased the tester away). She then quit track and played basketball for a few years. As far as her "confession" letter- anything this woman says can be trusted only to be a lie.

As far as "proving" my point about sprinters...that IS the point: without HS testing we are leaving a massive loophole. We all now know how not testing Kenyans has played out for those other "pure and innocent" athletes....

The top American high schoolers have been sketchy for decades now. Cain, Rupp, Verzbikas... shady as hell.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Are you people nuts? It's bad enough when every pro runner is accused, but high school is going too far. Do you believe that her parents and coach would want to give her PEDs? Would you be OK with it if she was your daughter?

She's a great runner, but Cain was comparable and without the injuries, Mary Decker might have been at a level above Cain. If you can't enjoy Touhy's success then I don't understand why you follow the sport.

If the kid hung in the right (wrong) circles, he could do it himself without parents or coaches knowing. EPO is now being used by gym rats and therein lies the easy source.

.....Many moons ago at my suburbia hs, I had 2 very close childhood friends that went to Nebraska (in the 80s) on football scholarship.

Their mom (single mom) was completely unaware, as were most, that they were doing dianobol cycles for 4 years. "Just lifting a lot!".

If gym rats have EPO/CERA now (thank manic/ cross) then HS kids can get and administer PEDS on their own.

That said, its doubtful that it's even 1 in 1000 but closrr to several per 10,000. ----And probably concentrated towards the top.

There's also probably some local spikes in usage based on easy availability/culture in some areas.

Phantasy Star wrote:

The top American high schoolers have been sketchy for decades now. Cain, Rupp, Verzbikas... shady as hell.

Not as sure about Cain, but Rupp and especially LV (mom ran for doping-program USSR) definitely.

gahagand wrote:

They have tested both her and Jakob. Anytime a world record of any kind, including age-group, is set, the IAAF immediately tests them. She was tested when she ran 15:37 last indoor, Jakob was tested after his 3:31. Both passed, though it was just one test.

Are you brain dead? "Jakob was tested after his 3:31". Of course he was tested at that meet, but he has also been tested consistently since he was around 15 or 16 years old.

Can we agree there is a zero percent chance that Touhey is cheating?

I think it is an excellent idea, but probably have to be 16yrs or older maybe? (Non junenile)? Thinking of possible liability.

elang wrote:

Why does it matter they'll just get caught in college if they are doing anything bad.

It matters because the ones that are cheating are stealing scholarship opportunities from deserving athletes.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Can we agree there is a zero percent chance that Touhey is cheating?

No? Why would anyone agree with that?

agdasdfasfas wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Can we agree there is a zero percent chance that Touhey is cheating?

No? Why would anyone agree with that?

She ran a 4:58 mile in 7th grade so they got an early start.

The assumption here is that testing is effective at catching cheats. It isn't, and hasn't been so for years. Marion Jones never failed a drug test. Drugs are masked. "The Clear". Richard Pound - "only the dumb and the careless get caught".

SDSU Aztec wrote:

agdasdfasfas wrote:

No? Why would anyone agree with that?

She ran a 4:58 mile in 7th grade so they got an early start.

Maybe, but you're right that that would be pretty messed up.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

agdasdfasfas wrote:

No? Why would anyone agree with that?

She ran a 4:58 mile in 7th grade so they got an early start.

That doesn’t necessarily mean that she’s clean... we’d only know if she has a random out-of-season test, and even then some cheaters who can get away with it. This isn’t just for Touhy... it’s any athlete. T&F, unfortunately, has a long history of doping.