KATELYN TUOHY - 16:07 @ OCEAN STATE

Go girl wrote:

What a beast! Any bets on where she goes to college?

She should join her brother at Fordham

Has any HS girl ever broken 16 in a XC 5k before? I guess she's going to be the first.

I don't entirely know the "mechanics" of creating speed ratings for a XC race, but something like this must completely jack up the methodology for rating the rest of the girls in the race.

Based upon past years though, that's gotta be at least a 175-176.

That's crazy.

Big Facts wrote:

Apparently she ran it as a tempo and not all out.

Sure, the ole' ran it as a tempo/training run cr@p:):):):) Total BS.

Deadstream wrote:

I don't entirely know the "mechanics" of creating speed ratings for a XC race, but something like this must completely jack up the methodology for rating the rest of the girls in the race.

Based upon past years though, that's gotta be at least a 175-176.

That's crazy.

Well the point of speed ratings is that the lead runners' times do not affect the speed ratings further back, but the times of the other racers affect the leaders. Its based on comparing place and times for each individual compared to their previous performances vs. these competitors as well as a general profile of the course.

I think it will end up being a 172-173 since some of the other girls appeared to run a bit faster than what they typically do as well.

Niles wrote:

Deadstream wrote:

I don't entirely know the "mechanics" of creating speed ratings for a XC race, but something like this must completely jack up the methodology for rating the rest of the girls in the race.

Based upon past years though, that's gotta be at least a 175-176.

That's crazy.

Well the point of speed ratings is that the lead runners' times do not affect the speed ratings further back, but the times of the other racers affect the leaders. Its based on comparing place and times for each individual compared to their previous performances vs. these competitors as well as a general profile of the course.

I think it will end up being a 172-173 since some of the other girls appeared to run a bit faster than what they typically do as well.

Nevermind, it was a 175-176... 175.71

Smells like it, then... wrote:

Big Facts wrote:

Apparently she ran it as a tempo and not all out.

Sure, the ole' ran it as a tempo/training run cr@p:):):):) Total BS.

Except last year when she said was doing a tempo, she ran 16:24 at Bear Mountain 3 mile ( which was a course record, beating out Cuffe and other runners). People said it was bs that she tempoed it.... then she ran 15:55 at that same course later in the season. This girl is about to absolutely decimate everyone and everything.

Niles wrote:

Deadstream wrote:

I don't entirely know the "mechanics" of creating speed ratings for a XC race, but something like this must completely jack up the methodology for rating the rest of the girls in the race.

Based upon past years though, that's gotta be at least a 175-176.

That's crazy.

Well the point of speed ratings is that the lead runners' times do not affect the speed ratings further back, but the times of the other racers affect the leaders. Its based on comparing place and times for each individual compared to their previous performances vs. these competitors as well as a general profile of the course.

I think it will end up being a 172-173 since some of the other girls appeared to run a bit faster than what they typically do as well.

175.71 SR

Yowza.....

Maybe she's a not so distant Dibaba cousin...

If good academically, should go ND if conservative and Stanford if liberal.

omfg she beat all but one boy

Big Facts wrote:

Apparently she ran it as a tempo and not all out.

stfu with this nonsense already.

sanchobaile wrote:

omfg she beat all but one boy

Even crazier...the boy she was just ahead of is a 4:13 miler. lol

Niles wrote:

Deadstream wrote:

I don't entirely know the "mechanics" of creating speed ratings for a XC race, but something like this must completely jack up the methodology for rating the rest of the girls in the race.

Based upon past years though, that's gotta be at least a 175-176.

That's crazy.

Well the point of speed ratings is that the lead runners' times do not affect the speed ratings further back, but the times of the other racers affect the leaders. Its based on comparing place and times for each individual compared to their previous performances vs. these competitors as well as a general profile of the course.

I think it will end up being a 172-173 since some of the other girls appeared to run a bit faster than what they typically do as well.

This is such nonsense. Look at speed ratings for Woodbridge and you see they are identical each year despite a course change and despite different competitors. Not only that, boys and girls get the same ratings for the same time despite being in different races. Tully just guesses to the best of his ability. The fact he's so adamant about Trotter having a 180 speed rating goes to show how ridiculous the whole thing is.

If it were at least somewhat of a science it would be repeatable by others based upon certain criteria, such as an average of all the runners previous track season 1600 and 3200s or something of that sort. Instead it's a psuedoscience that is heavily weighted towards making east coast kids look better and those at national championships look like they all peaked really well, which they don't.

Or you can use your eyes and brain and just look when he does his national meet previews (which are based on his speed ratings, fyi) and see that although not a perfect science, his projections (again, based off the speed ratings) are historically pretty damn accurate

Unbelievable..... wrote:

Just to put this into perspective, she would have gotten 2nd in the guys championship race. She ran 16:06. 2nd guy ran 16:07 and his prs are 1:55 for the 800 and 4:13 for the full mile( as well as 15:39 5K XC.). Third place guy ran 16:08 and he’s run 9:22 for the 3200 on the track. The guy who won is a 4:08/8:56 guy and he only ran 17 seconds better( 15:49). Apparently, she wasn’t running all out either. She is probably in sub 9:30 shape for 3200 right now based on that and that is a minimum guess. I can’t believe what I’m seeing here....

How is that possible?

post season wrote:

Has she mentioned whether she plans on running NXN or FL?

Forget that, just let her run in the NCAA XC championships.

A while back in another thread I posted I thought she would do high 420s in mile, 930 ish for 2 miles this year. For now I will stay there but we shall see.

post season wrote:

Has she mentioned whether she plans on running NXN or FL?

said she would run FN if her team does not have a shot at making NXN.