What is the Men’s OTQ (2:19:00) actually equal to for Women?

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5 years ago 09/20/2018 5:52pm EDT

Evidence from the 2016 Olympic Marathon Trials qualifying period and the current qualifying period for 2020 has led me to believe that the men’s B standard of 2:19:00 in the marathon is not equal in difficulty to the women’s B standard of 2:45:00. What do you think the women’s equivalent marathon time is to a man running 2:19:00?

My hypothesis is that it’s closer to the 2:35:00-2:38:00 range. The easy comparison for the current standards is “How much slower is it than the world record?”. For the men it’s now 17:21, and for the women it’s 29:35. I don’t think that is necessarily the best comparison, but it’s the easiest one to make.

It would be fantastic to hear from a physiologist on their thoughts, some highly regarded coaches, and some men & women who compete at that level.

5 years ago 09/20/2018 6:10pm EDT

re: HotLanta

You can't add the same time because small amounts of time are more difficult when you're running faster. In a lot of events there's a roughly 10% rule between world records for the two genders, so add 10% to 2:19. Round it up to 140 minutes, 10% is 14, that's 2:33. This is beating a dead horse though.

5 years ago 09/20/2018 11:41pm EDT

re: HotLanta

When the OT marathon fields are set, look to see how many men qualify under 2:19, then look to see how fast the same ranked person is in the womens OT marathon field.

Next question.

5 years ago 09/21/2018 12:25am EDT

re: HotLanta

The Mercier calculator equates 2:19 to 2:43:21 based on IAAF performance lists.

http://jmureika.lmu.build/track/Mercier/window7.html

USATF isn't allowed to set standards that exceed what the IAAF sets. American women's depth in the marathon is likely stronger than the rest of the world and many small countries. The IAAF is generally more lenient with the women's standard.

5 years ago 09/21/2018 2:58am EDT

re: apples to apples

This is correct.

In addition you need to know one major thing.

MENS LDR is a group of men that decides what the standard is for the MEN. They could make it 2:30 if they wanted. It has nothing to do with the women. If you feel like Men are being cheated it is important to know that it is done by a group of men. This group makes the call and ignores what the Women decide.

5 years ago 09/21/2018 3:18am EDT

re: HotLanta

2:19:00 - clock runs the same for both categories.

5 years ago 09/21/2018 2:57pm EDT

re: chrono judger

chrono judger wrote:
2:19:00 - clock runs the same for both categories.

That's not how it works.

The women's standard is fine. Sub-2:45 & you should go to the Trials. The men's standard is too tough- would like to see it back at 2:22 and see more sub elites sticking with and trying out the marathon.

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