Definitely the best writer on LetsRun.
Definitely the best writer on LetsRun.
Indeed. How awesome would it be if the morning tv shows on espn rarely never talked about football and instead it was Gault debating some retired running talking heads like Shorter, Rudisha, etc.
I don't like the way he says it brings an end to wr chases. Has he never heard of Bekele? I agree that nobody else will attempt a wr, but I believe Bekele can go 2:01:30 like he said himself.
still doesn't feel real wrote:
Definitely the best writer on LetsRun.
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2018/09/meaning-20139-berlin-masterpiece-eliud-kipchoge-brought-era-world-record-chases-close/
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That said, I thought it was a good article, too.
I strongly disagree with the premise that the era is over. While the goalpost has indeed been moved quite far, it's also now in sight of the the largest carrot in history outside of the 4-min mile! It's far more likely it ends when the 2-hour barrier is broken.
How soon is anyone's guess, but I'd go 50/50 on EK himself if they set up another records-eligible Monza-style event. Outside of that, he's already paved the way for others to follow, and my guess is sooner than later.
Statman's Brother wrote:
How soon is anyone's guess, but I'd go 50/50 on EK himself if they set up another records-eligible Monza-style event. Outside of that, he's already paved the way for others to follow, and my guess is sooner than later.
If it was records eligible then it really wouldn't be Monza-style at all.
Statman's Brother wrote:
I strongly disagree with the premise that the era is over.
You should have stopped right there. The rest of your post was nonsense.
Of course Gault is wrong but at least he had a strong opinion. Chasing records does not end. Money talks. Kipchoge is not a singular talent. Look at him on the track. There are others like him out there. The shoes are likely a huge part of this. What would prime Geb have run in these shoes? Whatever fueling, training and PEDs permitted Kipchoge to break 2:02, put prime Wanjuri in those shoes and other advantages and Kipchoge DOES NOT DROP him.
The world is not going to lie down just because Kipchoge ran fast again. The race to 1:59 is larger now than it was when Dennis had the record.
Camp Lo wrote:
Statman's Brother wrote:
How soon is anyone's guess, but I'd go 50/50 on EK himself if they set up another records-eligible Monza-style event. Outside of that, he's already paved the way for others to follow, and my guess is sooner than later.
If it was records eligible then it really wouldn't be Monza-style at all.
What exactly was it about Monza that made it not record-eligible?
-The pacers
-The drinks
That's it? Was the laser ok?
Why not set up an invitational marathon on Monza raceway?
-Get a bunch of good pacers, maybe they'll last a bit longer than Berlin
-The drinks can change a little, but if you can hand them out like the german guy did in Berlin then surely you could do something similar at Monza without costing much time.
Maybe Nike could create a private event that IS record-eligible and slightly more optimal for EK than Berlin?
aefadfasdf wrote:
Camp Lo wrote:
If it was records eligible then it really wouldn't be Monza-style at all.
What exactly was it about Monza that made it not record-eligible?
-The pacers
-The drinks
That's it? Was the laser ok?
Why not set up an invitational marathon on Monza raceway?
-Get a bunch of good pacers, maybe they'll last a bit longer than Berlin
-The drinks can change a little, but if you can hand them out like the german guy did in Berlin then surely you could do something similar at Monza without costing much time.
Maybe Nike could create a private event that IS record-eligible and slightly more optimal for EK than Berlin?
The runners were drafting behind the car.
Also, the steadiness of the pace set by the car- the runners could be more consistent, and they also didn't have to think about it- they could just follow the car. So the car provided two different benefits. The drafting was the biggest.
the car made a big difference wrote:
The runners were drafting behind the car.
Also, the steadiness of the pace set by the car- the runners could be more consistent, and they also didn't have to think about it- they could just follow the car. So the car provided two different benefits. The drafting was the biggest.
The car actual did very little do break wind resistance; it was too far away to stop a significant amount of wind. If anything, the pacer's V-formation broke the most wind.
brendanberney wrote:
the car made a big difference wrote:
The runners were drafting behind the car.
Also, the steadiness of the pace set by the car- the runners could be more consistent, and they also didn't have to think about it- they could just follow the car. So the car provided two different benefits. The drafting was the biggest.
The car actual did very little do break wind resistance; it was too far away to stop a significant amount of wind. If anything, the pacer's V-formation broke the most wind.
That's what I'm saying. There are pace cars in marathons -- is the laser pacing illegal? Just make sure the car isn't providing significant draft and make sure the pacers don't jump into the middle of the race and you should be set, no? Just try to get pacers that will last as long as possible. Do the best you can within record-eligible constraints.
I don’t get what he means by this:
“To put it differently, Kipchoge’s average pace for the marathon is faster than any other human being has ever run for either half of a full marathon.”
Lots of guys have run a faster average pace for the half marathon.
Bib #1 wrote:
I don’t get what he means by this:
“To put it differently, Kipchoge’s average pace for the marathon is faster than any other human being has ever run for either half of a full marathon.”
Lots of guys have run a faster average pace for the half marathon.
In a marathon...
Bib #1 wrote:
I don’t get what he means by this:
“To put it differently, Kipchoge’s average pace for the marathon is faster than any other human being has ever run for either half of a full marathon.”
Lots of guys have run a faster average pace for the half marathon.
I had to reread the sentence, but he means no one has run a faster split in either the front half or back half of a marathon.
I don’t think we will see a serious world record attempt in any distance for the next few years at least.
When was the last time a track race was billed as a world record attempt?
I think Bekele at Pre on the 10,000 in 2008 where he fell short.
Rudisha’s Record was not a billed attempt. It was a race where he ran fast to win.
I think marathoners, including Kipchoge and Bekele, are going to just run to win for the foreseeable future.
Star wrote:
Rudisha’s Record was not a billed attempt. It was a race where he ran fast to win.
Yes it was. He told everyone before the race he was going to run the world record.
Star wrote:
I don’t think we will see a serious world record attempt in any distance for the next few years at least.
When was the last time a track race was billed as a world record attempt?
I think Bekele at Pre on the 10,000 in 2008 where he fell short.
Rudisha’s Record was not a billed attempt. It was a race where he ran fast to win.
I think marathoners, including Kipchoge and Bekele, are going to just run to win for the foreseeable future.
There is always a way to theoretically improve hurdle/ steeple records. In some ways, a Jeremy Wariner who can hurdle or a Caleb Ndiku, Elijah Manangoi who can steeple is best bet for a new WR.
That said, the flat track records will stick around for a long, long time. 100/200 because Bolt. If Bolt's records do get beat, you are looking at a science experiment, not an athlete. The 400, because WVN and his post race collapses and his grandma trainer, and yeah...
Only 2012 Rudisha could run another sub 1:41 800 (maybe). Current crop of Kenyan 800 studs have a lot of speed but not Rudisha's rhythm or spirit. Alan Webb is the fastest miler of the last decade and he was more than 3 seconds off wr. Only guy to come within a second of 1500 wr in last decade was busted for EPO.
3k is out of reach. Just forget about it.
5k might seem vulnerable after recent 12:42 performance but gains get tougher and tougher as pace approachs 60 seconds flat per lap. 10k wr is ridiculously fast and putting together a 20:45 8k rabbit team is just as difficult as finding a 26:15 10k freak.
The half marathon might go at some point in the next 5 years but not by much. Marathon we will belong to EK for a long, long time.
What is definitely gone are the days of 3 or 4 guys finishing within 3 seconds of the 1500/mile wrs in the same race like we had in the 70s and 80s. The combo wr possibility/ competitive races we saw in marathon over the last ten years as field worked their way down from HGs 2:03:59 are also gone now too. 4:39 mile pace for 26 miles is simply too fast for any runner not named Kipchoge to even try.
Who is Jon Gault?