John Utah wrote:
Good times are killing me wrote:
This should be easy. I'm sure everyone here knows someone who was committed to a mental institution prior to the 1950's.
Dude, that was funny. Outstanding post. So well done.
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John Utah wrote:
Good times are killing me wrote:
This should be easy. I'm sure everyone here knows someone who was committed to a mental institution prior to the 1950's.
Dude, that was funny. Outstanding post. So well done.
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Since when is an industry making money considered a bad thing?
Perhaps the OP would feel more comfortable in a COMMUNIST heaven state.
Johhny Californication wrote:
John Utah wrote:
Dude, that was funny. Outstanding post. So well done.
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kyoto wrote:
Absolutely No Idea wrote:
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. How proud you are of your ignorance. Crawl back under the rock where you've apparently been residing.
Let's set aside the validity of the science of Psychiatry for a moment. How many billions of dollars per year are generated by the direct and ancillary services of psychiatrists? Tens of billions? 15% of the population is on mind-altering psychiatric drugs, do you think that's a good thing? Are you open to believing that a multibillion industry that is ostensibly designed to "help people" might become perverted by a profit motive?
Do you think that the people who choose to avail themselves of these services are worse at deciding what is best for them than you are at deciding what is best for them?
Okay, Tom Cruise.
kyoto wrote:
I'm not sure I would go as far as they do with calling it evil, etc, but it is a basically a muiltibillion dollar money-making racket for pharma companies and "psychiastrists" that use psuedoscience to bill $150 / hour.
it's basically self-help broscience that masquerades as a real scientific field. It's completely nonsense at best, and and powerful money-making lobby/racket at worst
The same goes for all other pharma and AMA scams.
mathers wrote:
celery wrote:
Neuroscience study, and the various drugs that can help severely dysfunctional neural function are good. If that's what you mean by psychiatry, then I would agree that it has value.
As for psychology. Contemplating your own motivations is valuable to a certain extent. And doing so in the presence of another person who can provide feedback is also good. Understanding, and putting into practice the behavioral mechanisms that work to break bad habits and build good habits is also valuable.
So in a very limited sense, psychology has something to offer. But everything it offers, is not really anything more than the advise a wise mentor, or good parent, could have told you before psychology was ever invented. Had the field of psychology never been invented, the world would be just as good as it is today. In fact, it might have even been better. The post-Freudian impulse to attribute subconscious evil motives to people we don't like is a completely despicable impulse that is ruining our social fabric.
The fact that someone can tell their therapist a 30 year old repressed memory, and use that memory to destroy another person's reputation, without the aid of any corroborating evidence, and the fact that the whole world doesn't see how absurd that is, is the result of our post-Freudian world. So on balance, psychology is BS and gets way more respect than it should.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Psychology is not about contemplating your own motivations, or bringing up repressed memories. At least not any more (sure there may be some relics who still practice it, but recent psychology has moved on). More and more, it's about recognizing your own distorted thought patterns, and learning how to have a healthy relation with them. It's not about blaming other people - even in cases where blame could be placed.
Some people with mental illness have events or people in their past who contributed to their illness. Many do not. Many just have poor coping skills, coupled with distorted thoughts which end up forming a negative feedback loop - spiraling into deep depression, anxiety or panic.
These things can't be cured with good advice from your parents - unless your parents are well versed in mental health. However, in most cases they can be helped a lot with therapy. Most current approaches are also evidence based (ACT, DBT, CBT). Not complete pseudo-science.
Some mental illnesses do not respond as well to these therapies. In many of these cases psychiatry can help. While drugs have side-affects are not not perfect, they can often take some who is not functioning at all to some who can function - maybe not perfectly, but good enough.
It's be foolish to say psychiatry or psychology are perfect. I have not doubt we'll make a lot of progress in both areas over the coming decades. However, they help a lot of people desperately in need of help.
Settle down buddy. It's not like I criticized a religion...
kyoto wrote:
I'm not sure I would go as far as they do with calling it evil, etc, but it is a basically a muiltibillion dollar money-making racket for pharma companies and "psychiastrists" that use psuedoscience to bill $150 / hour.
it's basically self-help broscience that masquerades as a real scientific field. It's completely nonsense at best, and and powerful money-making lobby/racket at worst
Psychiatry and psychology are both scams.
The only real mental illnesses are the ones that include seeing things that arent there aka skitsophrenia, and the rapid cycling aka bipolar. 2 solutions.....
1. Mood stabilizing drug controls the ups and downs. The bad thing is that ruin your vision and your liver and make you constantly have cold sweats
2. The antipsychotic class of drugs slows down all thoughts, so delusions aren't as prevalent and constant. The bad thing is they cause derailment which makes you not complete your sentences and thoughts
I do not believe anxiety and depression is an actual mental illness unless you have had an acute psychotic break aka nervous breakdown. The. It's a temporary new mental illness. The real mental illnesses are life long
Considering most of the people who land in Psychiatry residencies did so because it was the last and only choice they had to accept a medical residency and become a full fledge licensed doctor goes to give you an idea behind the "science" of psychiatry. It is a byword among many medical resident applicants.
Match day:
"I matched surgery!" Wow, great!
"I matched anesthesiology!" Amazing!
"I matched internal medicine" Not bad mate!
"I matched psychiatry!" ...hmm, what happened? You had to take the NBME or USMLE steps more than once each?
MollerSandwich wrote:
Psychiatrists diagnose and treat mental health issues through the use of medications.
Psychologists diagnose and treat mental health issues through the use of talk therapy and behavioral modification.
OP is a fvcking moron, as are half the posters in this thread who don't know the difference, but still feel qualified to offer their opinion.
Some psychologists can prescribe meds, IIRC.
Otherwise, solid post.