Cierpinski training is on here and it is clear he was light years ahead of everyone else at the time when it came to training. The only PED use the east Germans had access to would only benefit explosive anerobic sports, not the marathon. Cierpinski is clean. Please provide evidence other than just saying he competed for east Germany.
Winning more majors like Boston/NY/Tokyo or another Olympic gold is waste of time for him. He doesn’t need to prove anything there, and it wouldn’t be interesting for anyone (except Americans that for some reasons think that winning the most majors and winning the most Olympic medals regardless of time is the most impressive thing, because “it’s about winning, not about time”). There is zero challenge there for him, it’s boring.
His challenging next possible step could be:
1.retire and go to his wife and kids being a full time father and husband.
2. Trying to go sub2 in Berlin whatever the cost is (even losing the race). Sub2 Monza again isn’t impressive enough due to his new time which might be already equal to sub 2 Monza.
3. Trying to break Bekele’s records in the 5k and 10k on the track.
4. Not that interesting comparing his last achievement - breaking the HM record
You're mixing up Bekele and Bikila.
Brianruns10 wrote:
kj.ll. wrote:
What?
I don't count Cierpinski, who was a known doper as part of East Germany's program. Though when you eliminated him, it would get Shorter a second gold for '76, so there would technically still be two repeat gold medalists at the Marathon.
Either way, a double Olympic gold for Kipchoge would be a great goal.
You're mixing up Bekele and Bikila.
2019 breakin2 (trying to search a flat course, not the 8m d+ of Monza)
2020 Tokio Olympics
What are you talking about Brian wrote:
Sand Dunes wrote:
That's all speculation. Y'all hate on him because he beat Frank Shorter.
1. Bekele does not have double gold in the marathon. Not even one.
2. If you count other disciplines, there are probably a hundred double gold medalists. Usain Bolt, Haile,...
3. There are however some double gold medalists in the marathon: Zatopek, Bikila, Shorter/Cierpinski.
4. Cierpinski is a doper and that is a proven fact from the published Eastern German training programs that came out after the fall of the wall. I'm German but even we admit so much.
5. We don't know if Shorter was a doper as well.
Zatopek only won the Olympic marathon once, in 1952.
All the American Ruppsters writing here stupid things like getting a gold medal in Tokyo 2020. Do really think that he is interested in boring things like that??
The man is after challenges, not after more medals to hang. This isn’t one of Salazar’s sit and kick monkeys
He shouldn't leave the 1/2 Marathon on the table. Bettering he could run 57:30.
wreck wrote:
You're mixing up Bekele and Bikila.
Yes, I most definitely did. Thanks to you, and the others, who pointed this out. Apologies for the mixup!
I think he should run a turkey trot in November and when he crosses the finish line he should go, "Baaaa baaaaa, mother ----ers!"
Jgff wrote:
All the American Ruppsters writing here stupid things like getting a gold medal in Tokyo 2020. Do really think that he is interested in boring things like that??
The man is after challenges, not after more medals to hang. This isn’t one of Salazar’s sit and kick monkeys
Kipchoge has publicly stated - multiple times - that he wants another Olympic Gold. He will be in Tokyo - which is not good news for Rupp or Mo.
Aside from that I'd like to see him run NY next year and take a shot at the course record of 2:05:05 - that would definitely be a challenge, as you say. 2:03:02 at Boston would also be a serious challenge, but I doubt he runs there. Going back to Berlin seems boring to me - he will need near perfect conditions to better this time.
There is also the HM world record but I just don't think he's interested in that.
Brianruns10 wrote:
After today's world record, what's next for Kipchoge? What mountain tops are left for the GOAT, do you think?
1) I hope he'll be in good form to try for a repeat Olympic gold, which would place him with Bekele as the only other athlete to win repeats golds (and no, I've not forgotten about Cierpinski).
2) I'd love to see him try to notch off Boston and New York. But is the money too good with London and Berlin?
3) He already has World Champ gold in the 5000, but there's always the marathon event there too.
4) Do you think he could step DOWN and try for the half-marathon world record?
What say you all?
why wouldn't he just keep doing what he's doing and win marathons in fast times?! 10 out of 11 marathons he's won. I wouldn't change anything if I were him.
why do you feel he has to go after other things and screw up this beautiful winning rhythm he has created for himself? these guys don't have to break records every time they run a race.
Would love to see him hit 10,000m again. I think he could challenge the WR there as well.
Bikila, not Bekele.
I imagine after he clearly slows down, he'll be happy to take New York/Boston money.
Doing 2019 World Champs would probably mean forgoing Berlin in the fall, so I don't think so.
I don't see Kipchoge going for the half-marathon record as it simply doesn't pay as well as a major marathon. He doesn't race much so he has to maximize his earnings when he does. He can't waste training cycles.
Run 5000m in under 13:55 wearing trainers.
The marathon is done, it's essentially a track event.
Real runners run the 50K. Let the marathon get to 1:58 or whatever, they can have it.
2:37.7/km is world record pace in the 10000m. 5000m wr pace is about 2:31.5/km.
He just did 15x1k at altitude in low 2:50s with the last two in 2:42/2:37. He would have to train specifically for the 10,
but I think that he would stand a good chance of doing it.
Go for the calendar year grand slam of marathon majors!
BMW-BERLIN MARATHON: Sunday September 16 2018
Bank of America Chicago Marathon: Sunday October 7 2018
TCS New York City Marathon: Sunday November 4 2018
Tokyo Marathon: Sunday March 3 2019
Boston Marathon: Monday April 15 2019
Virgin Money London Marathon: Sunday April 28 2019
Some of those will only give him two weeks' rest, but most of them can be won 6 minutes (15 secs/mile) slower than his PR.
awefasdfafd wrote:
Go for the calendar year grand slam of marathon majors!
BMW-BERLIN MARATHON: Sunday September 16 2018
Bank of America Chicago Marathon: Sunday October 7 2018
TCS New York City Marathon: Sunday November 4 2018
Tokyo Marathon: Sunday March 3 2019
Boston Marathon: Monday April 15 2019
Virgin Money London Marathon: Sunday April 28 2019
Some of those will only give him two weeks' rest, but most of them can be won 6 minutes (15 secs/mile) slower than his PR.
He won the 2018 London Marathon. He'd complete your calendar slam at the Boston Marathon.
asdghj wrote:
awefasdfafd wrote:
Go for the calendar year grand slam of marathon majors!
BMW-BERLIN MARATHON: Sunday September 16 2018
Bank of America Chicago Marathon: Sunday October 7 2018
TCS New York City Marathon: Sunday November 4 2018
Tokyo Marathon: Sunday March 3 2019
Boston Marathon: Monday April 15 2019
Virgin Money London Marathon: Sunday April 28 2019
Some of those will only give him two weeks' rest, but most of them can be won 6 minutes (15 secs/mile) slower than his PR.
He won the 2018 London Marathon. He'd complete your calendar slam at the Boston Marathon.
I'm not sure what you're saying, I'm saying, try to win them ALL in one calendar year. The calendar year doesn't end in April. Or I guess it's fair to start and/or end with Chicago: "AbbottWMM Series XIII will begin at the 2019 Bank of America Chicago Marathon and end at the 2020 Bank of America Chicago Marathon."