I was thinking the same ... they need to sell it a bit more. At least flop to the ground and act like it was a superhuman performance and not like they just finished a Sunday jog in the park.
anon_hobby_jogger wrote:
Dear All,
I don't mind that you all dope. But can you at least make it look like you are trying hard when you crush a world record. It would just make it more enjoyable.
Thanks,
Stupid Fan
Angry Willy wrote:
I was thinking the same ... they need to sell it a bit more. At least flop to the ground and act like it was a superhuman performance and not like they just finished a Sunday jog in the park.
anon_hobby_jogger wrote:
Dear All,
I don't mind that you all dope. But can you at least make it look like you are trying hard when you crush a world record. It would just make it more enjoyable.
Thanks,
Stupid Fan
What makes this funny is that Ruth Jebet always looked utterly destroyed at the end of her races and that it was all she could do to step over the line. I can’t remember if it was after she won Rio or the 8:52, she draped herself over a barrier, flapping in the wind like a flag that, for a moment, I feared she’d need an ambulance.
So easy ... tomorrow I run 8:30.
Frerichs classy woman wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
Frerichs (who I have no reason to suspect and was quite gracious about Beatrice)
That's why she's good, a classy woman like Beatrice Chepkoech.
digging this one up for the culture.
Coburn pulls the old "whoever-beats-me-must-be-doping" card. Her days as an elite are ebbing away and this is probably her last Olympics. She won't be missed by me.
El Keniano wrote:
Coburn pulls the old "whoever-beats-me-must-be-doping" card. Her days as an elite are ebbing away and this is probably her last Olympics. She won't be missed by me.
+1.
El Keniano wrote:
Coburn pulls the old "whoever-beats-me-must-be-doping" card. Her days as an elite are ebbing away and this is probably her last Olympics. She won't be missed by me.
Chepkoech ran 15 second PR to break the world record by 10 seconds and has never even come close to running a similar time since. That's objectively suspicious.
What drugs make you run a 15 second PR and "never even come close to running a similar time?" She was smoking people all of 2018-2020, probably peaking for the 2020 Olympics. Then they got delayed. Plenty of athletes got screwed over by the extra year. That's not suspicious, she was just better.
And anyway it's cool for rando's on the internet to make baseless accusations. It's the internet. That's what we do. However, it's wack for a competitor to do so without any proof. Just makes you look like a spoiled, sore loser.
Native Son is as Kenyan as Ryan Crouser. He’s likely a fat, unshaven slob sitting in a crappy Brooklyn walk-up.
Ouch. what did the fat unshaven slob in crappy Brooklyn walk-up do to you? Did they accuse anyone that's better than them of cheating? Asking for friend... that may fit the description of a fat unshaven slob in a crappy brooklyn walk-up.
NativeSon wrote:
Dear Emma Coburn,
Before I even begin, let me just say this; I AM KENYAN. Of course it matters!
Secondly, I believe that like several professional athletes, you do frequent this site.
.....but dear Emma (all the same).
You fell just short of accusing Beatrice Chepkoech of doping. (May be you did. You just didn't say it expressly).
The cardinal sin you committed in your utterances is twofold:
1. You accused her of doping with no evidence (other than the fact that that the steeple has had its share of dopers).
2. You held (or hold) yourself out as the quintessence of distance (or middle distance) running.
"If I, Emma, cannot break the 9 minute barrier, no one can run 8:44 that easily". That is how you sound Emma!
You have run nowhere near what she ran in Monaco and therefore, she must be on something illicit!
In your interview, you said that there are three of you, the others being your colleague Courtney Frerichs and Hyvin Jepkemoi. You say that you have been flirting with the 9 minute time barrier and as a result, you are genuine runners.
Then you stated that Chepkoech's great run was too abrupt (I forget the words you used) her stellar performance over the years notwithstanding.
On the other hand, Frerichs, who is now the US record holder, is very green in terms of quality performance and yet, she won Silver behind you in London and improved her time greatly (by over 10 seconds!)
NO NEED TO PAUSE!
Courtney hadn't beaten you the whole year and then, in the only race that she beats you, she takes the American record!
In your assumption of the three greats, you never even included Celliphine Chepteek!
Celliphine has won virtually everything she has set out to compete in except of course the World Championships and the Commonwealth. She has just about as many medals as you! We've watched her grow since she won her first medal in Cali, Colombia in 2015 all the way to the commonwealth and the African Championships.
Let's look at a few PB.
1. COURTNEY FRERICHS
https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/united-states/courtney-frerichs-2731942. EMMA COBURN
https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/united-states/emma-coburn-2366473. NORAH JERUTO
https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/kenya/norah-jeruto-2653934. CELLIPHINE CHEPTEEK
https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/kenya/celliphine-chepteek-chespol-2983315. BEATRICE CHEPKOECH
https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/kenya/beatrice-chepkoech-293209A few notes:
1. With the exception of Jeruto, our ladies have better times than Courtney and yourself save for your 1500m where you beat Chepteek.
2. You don't seem to have done a 5k.
3. Chepkoech's 5k is stunning! May be we also need to pause here.
4. Chepkoech's 5k is better than all American women's save for Shannon!
May be we need another moment of silence.
5. Chepkoech has a range, and a vast one!
A fast 800, a very fast 1500, a very fast 3000m flat and an unbelievable 5k!
I will not dwell too much on statistics (and Chepkoech's mechanics in the steeple) because others have done so in another thread regarding this subject.
So Emma,
It's against that backdrop that Chepkoech can drop an 8:44. She has built it over time. It wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for her to run that world record. She has a history and a record.
Also, between Frerichs and Chepkoech, if there is one lady whose performance is 'unbelievable' (in terms of how fast they rose) it is certainly NOT Chepkoech.
Finally, I will leave you with the words from the Desiderata;
IF YOU COMPARE YOURSELF TO OTHERS, YOU MAY BECOME VAIN OR BITTER, FOR ALWAYS THERE WILL BE GREATER AND LESSER PERSONS THAN YOURSELF.
Sincerely,
Native Son,
Nyahururu, KENYA.
The Kenyans were humble in wins and losses.
musclessfitness wrote:
I agree that COURTNEY FRERICHS performances are really suspicious.
Even Emma when she won the gold medal and beat all the Kenyans by a huge margin looked suspicious. Which makes me believe that the entire group she used to train with is suspicious.
Shelby Houlihan trains under Jerry Schumacher as well. She also has had big time suspicious performances. This is a quote from a Shelby interview when she broke the American record.
"On the topic of the 5K, [coach] Jerry [Schumacher] knew he wanted me to run at Heusden and have Shalane pace me. At the beginning of the year, he told Shalane, “You’re going to help Shelby break 15.” Then as the season got going, he said, “Okay, let’s try to pace her for 14:50.” Then it was 14:40…and then it was, “Let’s just go after the American record.”
"
This post (bolding mine) held up better than lots of posts do.
mehhh wrote:
Emma Coburn kinda looks like a dude from some angles
I get why some people find her very attractive, but I’m guessing it’s mostly high school boys or boomers. But mostly ^
Hand Ball ti wrote:
The Kenyans were humble in wins and losses.
Exactly! This is the most jarring difference between Kenyans (not including Paul Chelimo) and you yanks!
El Keniano wrote:
Coburn pulls the old "whoever-beats-me-must-be-doping" card. Her days as an elite are ebbing away and this is probably her last Olympics. She won't be missed by me.
what did she say this time? I just read on her instagram that she said she failed badly this year, nothing about the other athletes?
Dear Emma,
Those that are ungracious in winning fall the hardest when losing.
Yes, there are (many) better than you.
The smugness and disdain you’ve shown towards others are coming back to haunt you.
You reap what you sow.
BTW, fake kudos to Frerichs designed for social media are as credible as a three dollar bill.
All my homies mess with Frerichs not Coburn wrote:
What drugs make you run a 15 second PR and "never even come close to running a similar time?" She was smoking people all of 2018-2020, probably peaking for the 2020 Olympics. Then they got delayed. Plenty of athletes got screwed over by the extra year. That's not suspicious, she was just better.
And anyway it's cool for rando's on the internet to make baseless accusations. It's the internet. That's what we do. However, it's wack for a competitor to do so without any proof. Just makes you look like a spoiled, sore loser.
+100
Deer.
Was the entire field ahead of you doping ?
rhimby wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
Coburn pulls the old "whoever-beats-me-must-be-doping" card. Her days as an elite are ebbing away and this is probably her last Olympics. She won't be missed by me.
+1.
Dummy, you don't need to pollute the boards with this response anymore. Just an FYI for you. I gave a -1 to your post
RIP: D3 All-American Frank Csorba - who ran 13:56 in March - dead
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
Running for Bowerman Track Club used to be cool now its embarrassing
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year
Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!
2017 World 800 champ Pierre-Ambroise Bosse banned 1 year for whereabouts failures